Oak Panelling - Design phase

[woodbloke]

Mark - looks good. Grain should run vertically and of course proper wainscotting (sp) should be with quarter sawn English oak panels, rails and stiles m/t'd together and draw-bored as well.
Shouldn't take you more that a few evenings, so we'll expect a full report, with pics, at Rycotewood :lol: - Rob

 

[Sportique]

Mark

for me this is looking much better now.

Just a little concerned about the top of door/top of window/top of panelling.

Three different levels - may look better if you lower the top of the panelling to align with top of the door? Maybe that's just me though.

Lovely idea if the room is large enough to take it.

Dave

 

[Chems]

I think its a great idea and the secret door is brilliant.

Are you going to lay vennered MDF panels on then glue/domino/tack the rails onto this like the house brad found with wood panelling or are you going to make it like hundreds of rail and style doors?

 

[MikeG.]

Here's another vote for aligning with the door head. You could run the top rail across the head of the door as if it were the top of an architrave.

I think that is is really important that things have reasons for being where they are, and finishing your panelling somewhere near the top of the window and somewhere near the top of the door is only going to make a visitor think "Why there?". If you are going to be away from the top of the openings, be a long way away, but I would take my cue from top of the door.

Anyway, it looks much better than stab number one.

Mike

 

[TrimTheKing]

Three different levels - may look better if you lower the top of the panelling to align with top of the door? Maybe that's just me though.

Here's another vote for aligning with the door head. You could run the top rail across the head of the door as if it were the top of an architrave.

Sorry guys, that's what I meant to do with the top of the door bit but forgot to add it in in my haste to post.

It's difficult with the door/window heights being different so my plan was as you suggest, to run the top rail over the top of the door, like below...

This is my next stab btw, trying what it looks like with 2 tall panels...

Next stab is stabs 2/3 but slightly wider panels...

 

[MikeG.]

Nope.....that doesn't do it for me. I like the door, but you need more panels vertically I think.

Mike

 

[Chems]

I think its a great idea and the secret door is brilliant.

Are you going to lay vennered MDF panels on then glue/domino/tack the rails onto this like the house brad found with wood panelling or are you going to make it like hundreds of rail and style doors?

 

[TrimTheKing]

I think its a great idea and the secret door is brilliant.

Are you going to lay vennered MDF panels on then glue/domino/tack the rails onto this like the house brad found with wood panelling or are you going to make it like hundreds of rail and style doors?

Which secret door Chems, the bookcase on the other side or panelling the back of the door in study?

Yep, planning to do it the same way as Brad did with veneered panels and rails/stiles stuck on, unless anyone can tell me a compelling reason to do it a different way...

 

[Chems]

Yep that secret door, why how many do you plan?!?

Doing it that way won't take you long at all. Could even end up quicker than painting!

 

[wizer]

The 2nd one gets my vote.

 

[TrimTheKing]

The 2nd one gets my vote.

The one with 2 smaller panels above one tall one?

 

[TrimTheKing]

Yep that secret door, why how many do you plan?!?

Doing it that way won't take you long at all. Could even end up quicker than painting!

I've not explained it very well obviously

Part 1 - What I plan to do is, panel the study side of the door so you can't tell there is a door there when you are in the study. Not worked out the logistics/mechanics of opening yet, but thinking on maybe just a push to open fitting so it's easy to open providing you know how...

Part 2 - On the opposite side of that same door will be a hidden bookcase door on the lounge side so when you are in the study there is no visible door, and when you are in the lounge there is only a bookcase (with hidden door in it).

In reality it will be too thick to have it as a single door so I plan to just clad the existing door from the study side so that it opens into the room, the the bookcase door will open into the lounge by means of some kind of book movement related trickery, which I also haven't designed as yet .

I think that makes sense now. I'm confuddling meself now

 

[Chems]

I see now, so its hidden on both sides. Now at risk of runing a good forum repuatation, thats one of the coolest ideas I've ever read on here! Can't wait to see it.

Regarding the door mechanism, I think the easiest way would be to have a ball catch, so when in the study you push the door to open out into the other room and when in the other toom you grasp the "special" book and pull to open. Minimum fuss to keep it simples tsk.

 

[TrimTheKing]

Okay boys and girls, please don't be bored yet, I know this is become a mammoth task but you really are helping me

I think I am getting a bit closer now but want to hear what you think. I think the wider panel spacing makes more sense and looks better but if you disagree shout up and tell me why. I have been working on this for nearly 3 weeks now (most of that time spent getting to grips with the quickest ways to work SketchUp) so I am a bit blinded by all the tree and can't identify the wood...

Two new pics with wider panels on the two main walls...For scale, the 8 panels you can see to the left of the door in pic 1 are 420mm wide.

This window wall is still puzzling me though. Here are three versions, one with the wider panel spacings to the right of the window, one with only two panels under the window and the other with the previous snaller spacings all the way across. I'm not sure which I prefer but I'm pretty sure it's not the mixed widths one. I think it has to be either 2 panels under windows or all slimmer panels. I think I'm leaning towards two wider panels under window but not sure why...

Thanks for reading this far, hope you're not bored yet.

 

[Paul Chapman]

On the window wall, I much prefer the one with only two panels under the window.

Cheers :wink:

Paul

 

[Mattty]

I prefer the 3 panels. Are you planning to run all the stiles through the rails as your drawing shows? I would almost certainly have a continous top and bottom rail with the stiles between. It would be interesting to see it on a drawing.

 

[Karl]

Looking good Mark.

I prefer the 3 panels under the window, and would agree with Matty about having the continuous rails top and bottom.

Cheers

Karl

 

[MikeG.]

I'm with Matt on having a continuous top & bottom rail.

The other thing I would say is to be very careful with your secret door plan. Draw it out in full size in plan, first, and "open" it in the drawing. If you make something with the depth of bookshelves, trying to pivot it from one point is quite difficult without it fouling, and allowing for the fouling will leave really big gaps.

Mike

 

[John McM]

Great link for secret bookcase

http://www.garymkatz.com/TrimTechniques ... nstall.htm

 

[TrimTheKing]

Great link for secret bookcase

http://www.garymkatz.com/TrimTechniques ... nstall.htm

Cheers John. I had this stored in my favourites ages ago but lost it when my pooter went pop and couldn't find it again, you're now my new hero.