Missing threads

[doctor Bob]

Is it me or are we missing a thread, can't they just be locked or ammended rather than remove the whole thread?
Now I don't know what books to avoid reading ..... imagine my horror if I'm in the library and I accidently get a book out recommended by the wood boffins, I may never wake up again............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[r0nmlt]

Agreed. Notwithstanding the disagreements very good points of view came through and numerous books suggested. All the insights are now inaccessible. What a pity.

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[SammyQ]

You sure Bob was referring to books?? :twisted:

Sam

 

[John15]

I too was interested in the books being discussed, some I'd not heard of - a shame all that's disappeared.

John

 

[bugbear]

Hmm. Hayward, Hoooper and Wells, Robert Wearing, Alf Martensson, Tage Frid.

I think thats most of them.

BugBear

 

[marcros]

Joyce was mentioned too

 

[nev]

The highlights...

Wearing's 'The Essential Woodworker'
Joyce
Paul Sellers
Krenov
Barnsley workshops
'Illustrated Furniture Making' by Graham Blackburn
David Charlesworth
Wells and Hooper
"Tage Frid Teaches Woodworking" by Tage Frid
"The Woodworkers Bible" by Alf Martensson
Carruthers 'Edward Barnsley and his Workshop'

Cheshirechappie wrote..

Re-reading the thread, one thing that does seem to stand out is the relative paucity of good books for beginner woodworkers. Hayward, Wearing and Blackburn - so far, that's it, and all were written some time ago. There are some good reference manuals for improvers and more advanced workers (Joyce, Wells and Hooper, Charlesworth, any number of specialist volumes on everything from conversion and seasoning, through design and technique to finishing) but no suggested 'modern' how-to-from-basics books.

Does this reflect the changing times? Are people using (for example) the internet - Youtube, some excellent blogs and personal websites - more for the basics these days?

and separately

Edward Barnsley was influenced by his father and some elements of that tradition last to this day. Edward taught a Loughborough College after the war and no doubt influenced many teachers and makers. Bob Wearing was one. His "Essential Woodworker"is quite the best beginners furniture making book I have found. I will repeat that the slotted screw is favourably mentioned in Hooper & Wells influential book, first published in 1908.

The rest, personal attacks aside, was mostly a discussion on the slotted screw method.

 

[doctor Bob]

The rest, personal attacks aside, was mostly a discussion on the slotted screw method.

Holy frickking cr*p, not the slotted screw method, no wonder it was deleted.
I've heard of stories where this was mentioned and people died instantly of boredom................ I always thought it was just an urban myth.

 

[SammyQ]

Oh! THAT lovely thread! I thought you meant the 8( or was it 9?) page monster that discussed a certain owld man..... :twisted:

Sam

 

[Jacob]

:roll: The slotted screw is no laughing matter!
The books largely say how things should be done. What is missing is information on about how things actually are/were done.
If I was a magazine ed in every issue I'd have an anatomy article where a bit of woodwork was pulled apart, looked at closely and thought about.
Almost anything could be the subject; a piece of joinery, IKEA tat, valuable antique etc. Most useful would be the older stuff where you would see how things fail and wear out. What works, what doesn't.
Could sell a few mags. Loadsamoney?
It'd certainly cast a light on some of the texts mentioned above. I think they are two separate worlds.

 

[doctor Bob]

:roll: The slotted screw is no laughing matter!

 

[mark w]

Why was it removed, what did I miss? It was all quite tame I thought.

 

[Baldhead]

I think I recall the thread, I started reading it but not in it's entirety, if this is turning into a debate on slotted screw against those horrible Philips, Pozidrive, Torx, Robinson or indeed any other type of screw head, then for a visable screw give me slotted any day, much nicer appearance than any of those built for speed screws.

Baldhead

 

[marcros]

it was nothing to do with screw head types. It was about drawer construction.

 

[Selwyn]

It was wrong to delete it. I wrote a fair comment about books being inferior to DVD's/ tutition etc. which was perfectly fair and it got deleted with the rest of it.

Come on moderators - a forum is here for debate its disrespectful to delete people's comments if they've put thoughtful ones out. Just delete the inflammatory stuff out instead or you'll lose the most important thing - contributers.

 

[SammyQ]

Selwyn and other fellow lignin dust creators, that was my whole point.

For clarity, three threads are being discussed and confused here. One on books; complete mystery as to why it vanished, unless it was the oblique reference to warez/torrent sites illegally hosting pirate copies of books?? A second thread (I never saw it) presumably regarding screw head pros and cons. And finally, a real humdinger of a thread, where the right to express an opinion got sort of mangled into some increasingly near-libellous remarks and one forum member started to be targeted by the Forum Opinion Police (not Mods).

I have the greatest respect for Noel, Chas, et al who do a splendid job and who maintain a superb reference and bulletin board - this forum. They give up a great deal of free time to moderate EVERY DAY. Chas and Noel in particular are concisely articulate regarding locking threads, banning members and all the 'tough love' aspects of maintaining the forum that are needed. They do so in a manner that regards and maintains privacy for offenders in the most part; they DO occasionally 'name and shame', but to a very limited degree, their discretion there is laudable. What I was getting at was what I percieve as a need for deleted threads to be signaled as deleted, with a brief sentence stating so. Messers Bohn, Rucker etc do so for OWWM and I think it by-and-large works. My postulate (feel free to knock it about and throw brickbats) is that deleted items here should also be signalled as deleted, even if, for whatever resaon, the rationale cannot be made public.

I think I recall a Mod. press release some time ago pertaining to all this, but I can't find it; so, it's possible I'm sounding off over summat that's done and dusted already - please help a silly old bottom burp?

Sam

 

[Stimpi]

It could be me, I am not sure what value books are to me, I read woodworking books, I own woodworking books, I look for woodworking books and magazines in second hand shops but when doing a project I don’t think I look up a book to see how to do it. I do look up jigs and router techniques though as routers were not available when an apprentice. The last books I bought was one on toys and tricks i.e. marshmallow guns and one on wood automatons never made any. At collage we used Mackay as he was our principle before he went to Manchester. We had to change to Mitchel for the City and Guilds exams as these were set by the Royal Society through the Brixton School of Building. Never looked at one since, still have the Mitchels, sold the Mackay at the collage book shop. Did use books for style but with the internet if you google say doors, you get thousands to look at. If you see one take a picture on the phone.

 

[marcros]

Selwyn and other fellow lignin dust creators, that was my whole point.

For clarity, three threads are being discussed and confused here. One on books; complete mystery as to why it vanished, unless it was the oblique reference to warez/torrent sites illegally hosting pirate copies of books?? A second thread (I never saw it) presumably regarding screw head pros and cons. And finally, a real humdinger of a thread, where the right to express an opinion got sort of mangled into some increasingly near-libellous remarks and one forum member started to be targeted by the Forum Opinion Police (not Mods).



Sam

Sam- I think that there are only 2 threads- books drifted into a discussion on using a slotted screw for the fixing of drawer bottoms. No idea why that one disappeared. The screw head thread never existed- that was the summation of the thread by somebody that had only seen a reference to slotted screws in another thread (this one probably), and the humdinger.


Mark

 

[SammyQ]

Ah! Thank you Mark; I skimmed the book thread and missed the screw head reference.

Sam

 

[marcros]

i wouldnt worry too much about it- dont go losing sleep in any case!!!