Low noise vacuum / dust extractor

[jb94]

Hi,
I’m looking for a bit of advice on dust extraction.
I have an Axminster canister dust extractor that’s incredibly loud and a screwfix titan vacuum, which is a little champion but its plastic construction is wearing out.
I’m thinking of replacing both with something better and was looking for some advice

Tools: table saw (old cheap Axminster one with pants dust extraction design), bandsaw with dust extraction port at the bottom, thickness planer, and variety of tools that accept a vacuum port

I’m not sure what would be better - something like this:

https://www.turners-retreat.co.uk/compact-extractor-single-motor-36ltr/p1430 (the quiet mode is a bonus and its compact good for my small shop)

Or a vacuum linked in series with a cyclone

https://www.myhenry.com/charles-cvc370

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wet-Dry-Va...hvtargid=pla-2275918497520&psc=1&gad_source=1

Cheers

 

[Derek Cohen (Perth Oz)]

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[Sideways]

The camvac has just a single generic vacuum cleaner type turbine in it.
It has a big bin and is fairly quiet if you put the pipe on the air outlet to silence it, but it doesn't have enough airflow to extract any machine properly.

Read the hooked on wood youtube channel videos (x2) and Denis make a well reasoned argument that a three motor camvac with a custom silencer may be the best small shop dust extraction option. But that argument doesn't apply to the single motor one, or to the 2 motor.

 

[Spectric]

Are you looking for a single dust extraction system with everything piped up or a system where you have something for the mitre saw and smaller power tools like a small Henry and a larger canister unit for the P/T ?

 

[jb94]

Are you looking for a single dust extraction system with everything piped up or a system where you have something for the mitre saw and smaller power tools like a small Henry and a larger canister unit for the P/T ?

Definitely not a fully piped up workshop there’s not enough room for that. I have to pull out machines on wheels when I want to use them.

Something portable ideally on wheels or not too massive / heavy to move around. Noise not too loud as I’ve got some curtain twitching neighbours who reported me to the council for the dog (who is barely outside).

I was thinking down the vac route and directly piping it into stuff like: biscuit joiner, palm router, sander etc. and putting a cyclone in front for thickness planer as that generates tonnes of waste.

The vac would double as my ‘DIY’ vac for cleaning up rubble etc from doing work inside the house.

I Had a look in B&Q today for some Black Friday deals but only thing they had was the basic Henry 600w and it looked a bit weedy.

The karcher vac I linked looks good with the plug socket to kick start the vac, but can’t find any published noise data. But it does look like you can turn down the suction maybe if noise is too much.

 

[jb94]

The camvac has just a single generic vacuum cleaner type turbine in it.
It has a big bin and is fairly quiet if you put the pipe on the air outlet to silence it, but it doesn't have enough airflow to extract any machine properly.

Read the hooked on wood youtube channel videos (x2) and Denis make a well reasoned argument that a three motor camvac with a custom silencer may be the best small shop dust extraction option. But that argument doesn't apply to the single motor one, or to the 2 motor.

Thanks. I did see the single engine record dust extractor at the Harrogate show being demonstrated, and I thought it was a bit loud unless you put the silencer pipe in.

Really £300 is pushing it with the budget unless it is really exceptional. Max £200 is what I can afford right now

 

[Katomi woodsmith]

Depends how fine a filter, I have a henery vac their white cloth type badges are fine filter

 

[jb94]

Depends how fine a filter, I have a henery vac their white cloth type badges are fine filter

What model of Henry / what wattage? How do you find the suction?

 

[thetyreman]

I have the numatic PSP 370, it's very quiet, mine is around 70dB SPL A weighted, and it's very efficient in terms of power useage and bags are cheapest I could find, proper stainless steel tubes, not cheap crap that falls apart, I couldn't live without it.

 

[scooby]

Thanks. I did see the single engine record dust extractor at the Harrogate show being demonstrated, and I thought it was a bit loud unless you put the silencer pipe in.

Really £300 is pushing it with the budget unless it is really exceptional. Max £200 is what I can afford right now

Ive had a couple of twin motor cam vacs, they are good. I know it's out of your budget, but I wouldn't bother with the single motor type.

 

[Sideways]

Also, just for pricing and value. Keep this in mind.
The vacuum cleaner motors / turbines used in all of the top brand workshop vacs, Festool, Nilfisk, Bosch GAS, etc etc are not quite identical but they are all equivalent, made the same, work they same, and are all bought in from just a couple of major manufacturers. As a spare, the factory original parts will cost you around £100 through ebay. That means the manufacturers are probably buying them for £20-30 apiece ?
If the motors are that cheap, what you are paying for is the brand name, some features that again cost just a few pounds to implement, in rare cases some good acoustic design, and usually a horrific premium for a bigger plastic bucket vs a smaller plastic bucket with exactly the same top half.

 

[Spectric]

I Had a look in B&Q today for some Black Friday deals but only thing they had was the basic Henry 600w and it looked a bit weedy.

Unfortunately our hoovers were deemed too powerful by the EU and so we now have hoovers that are not that good at doing their job. I have recently brought a second hand refurbed Numatic from the AID Cleaning Store on ebay for £99 which has the 1200 watt motor and works plus CTS technology do a Numatic hose with adaptors for power tools .

https://centraltechnologysystems.co...th-five-piece-power-tool-adaptor-set-19-58mm/

 

[JSW]

I have the numatic PSP 370, it's very quiet, mine is around 70dB SPL A weighted, and it's very efficient in terms of power useage and bags are cheapest I could find, proper stainless steel tubes, not cheap crap that falls apart, I couldn't live without it.

Decent price too! What do you hook up to it?

 

[thetyreman]

Decent price too! What do you hook up to it?

bandsaw, and also an orbital sander when I use one, I mainly use it for cleaning up after a job, the hepa filters do a good job of removing the finest dust and it's quiet enough that you can actually talk and be heard, unusually quiet for a vac, my previous one before that was a ferrex and disturbingly loud, over 85dB, literally night and day difference.

 

[Chris Puttick]

Unfortunately our hoovers were deemed too powerful by the EU and so we now have hoovers that are not that good at doing their job. I have recently brought a second hand refurbed Numatic from the AID Cleaning Store on ebay for £99 which has the 1200 watt motor and works plus CTS technology do a Numatic hose with adaptors for power tools .

https://centraltechnologysystems.co...th-five-piece-power-tool-adaptor-set-19-58mm/

The rule intended to reduce power usage (not suction power) applies only to domestic hardware. You can buy a Nilfisk workshop vac off the shelf with larger motors (and more suction) like a Multi II (1400W motor). I have the earlier version though and I'd not call it quiet.

 

[jb94]

I ended up ordering the karcher on the Black Friday deal for 25% off as it seems most of you get along fine with just a high powered vacuum cleaner +/- cyclone. I finally found the rated sound level it’s 73db so should be much better than the Axminster canister I currently use which states 90 but was getting close to 100db measured…

I’ll report back when it gets here next week

 

[Chubber]

Look at 'Nilfisk'. I have the Aero 260 model I am very pleased with, used with a cyclone. Full 3m hose and 4m cable.
Available direct on line.

 

[jb94]

Would anyone recommend a good cyclone to fit to the vac?

 

[Jester129]

You are best to fit the cyclone to a large plastic or metal tub, say 50-75 litres. You-tube how to do it, it's quite simple.

 

[Sideways]

Would anyone recommend a good cyclone to fit to the vac?

The black anti static one. Dust commander. Quite a solid thing for a piece of plastic.
They have a bigger metal one at 3x the price but probably not justified unless you have a 2 or 3 motor extractor.