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Selwyn
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Ok in Derbyshire where you live, what do you think is going to be the biggest problem for you?
Jacob
What goes around comes around.
One thing at a time! We are talking about climate change , which isn't an invented concept - it is happening.
Yes there are all sorts of other things going on too. Climate change also has a bearing on all the things in your list.
Jacob
What goes around comes around.
Not sea level rise obviously! Problem for us will be much the same as for most of the world - the breakdown of the economy and society, even if the direct effects have not touched us locally.
Selwyn
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Selwyn
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The issue I have is now the catch all for everything. Its a bit like covid.
Jacob
What goes around comes around.
The biggest obstacle is the sheer denialism which we see coming from all directions - not just on UKW!
In spite of that we are innovating and dealing with it - sustainable energy is growing apace etc. but things have been held back alarmingly; at the top end politically, by the media and by popular opinion.
Jacob
What goes around comes around.
Non of these things happen in isolation, they all interact in various ways, good, bad and indifferent.
I see crazies and trolls are at it again. They must have gotten bored claiming noone is dying from covid and it's all a government conspiracy to keep the populace down.
Same names, same arguments, same drivel.
I expect next month there'll be another 'alternate science' topic de jour, maybe gravity or relativity or what day of the week it is.
Same names, same arguments, same drivel.
I expect next month there'll be another 'alternate science' topic de jour, maybe gravity or relativity or what day of the week it is.
Selwyn
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That's interesting. Who has claimed covid is to keep the populace down? The disease that you have a 99.8% chance of surviving that loads and loads of people have tested positive despite all the lockdowns. And you think we're crazy!?
Have they let people have a meal outside in Ireland yet?!
Hallelujahal
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‘Wikipedia is very handy if you want to know something’
My God! Wikipedia is now become a sacred text!!!!
lmao
My God! Wikipedia is now become a sacred text!!!!
lmao
Jacob
What goes around comes around.
Handy. H A N D Y.‘Wikipedia is very handy if you want to know something’
My God! Wikipedia is now become a sacred text!!!!
"Sacred" is spelled differently and means something else. If you often have a spelling problem Wikipedia could probably help!
Droogs
Not the Sharpest Moderator in the box
Well his main problem will be one of choice, with his journey for his beach holiday a hell of a lot shorter than it is now he'll have a massive pool of EVs to consider as he will only need one with a shorter range
Jacob
What goes around comes around.
And downhill all the way!
If "they" said;
Stick at one or two kids
Use less wherever possible, from as close to you as possible
Fix it rather than buy new where possible
Pollute less
Grow your own if you can
How many people would argue with that?
The outcome from doing that may mean big industry doesn't get quite what it hoped, it may mean no EVs, supermarkets may sell less junk.
"Them" saying you must and will do xyz will creat a negative personal reaction even before the individual starts looking at what the facts might be. Picking your scientists backing up your viewpoint, with graphs showing, for instance, a massive increase in CO2 with the start point of that graph chosen to illustrate your point most dramatically but which diminishes to nothing over a much longer time line becomes much less convincing as soon as you find another, perhaps more accredited scientist saying the opposite, at least until they are discredited.
No fear created then, no new EV/heat pump/turbine purchased then.
It may be factual that CO2 has risen since the Industrial Revolution, which since the UK was at the forefront of that means we must beg forgiveness more fervently than any other country, but the increase since then is surely irrelevant as soon as you look further back as I tried to point out with the massive graph I posted previously? The rate of increase may take us back to a level seen a very long time ago if nothing changed over the next few centuries but is nothing changing?
Global Warming was renamed. The climate is changing, why is that bad? The blatent use of fear with Covid behaviours shows more plainly what is being done with Climate Change and that approach will not help "their" cause, whatever that actually is. Even if you have bought an EV, moved into a new, insulated, heat pumped, city centre tiny house and have been double jabbed and boostered there will be something else coming soon to argue about. The Emperor's new clothes.
If you don't turn the MSM on you wouldn't even know you're supposed to be worried
Stick at one or two kids
Use less wherever possible, from as close to you as possible
Fix it rather than buy new where possible
Pollute less
Grow your own if you can
How many people would argue with that?
The outcome from doing that may mean big industry doesn't get quite what it hoped, it may mean no EVs, supermarkets may sell less junk.
"Them" saying you must and will do xyz will creat a negative personal reaction even before the individual starts looking at what the facts might be. Picking your scientists backing up your viewpoint, with graphs showing, for instance, a massive increase in CO2 with the start point of that graph chosen to illustrate your point most dramatically but which diminishes to nothing over a much longer time line becomes much less convincing as soon as you find another, perhaps more accredited scientist saying the opposite, at least until they are discredited.
No fear created then, no new EV/heat pump/turbine purchased then.
It may be factual that CO2 has risen since the Industrial Revolution, which since the UK was at the forefront of that means we must beg forgiveness more fervently than any other country, but the increase since then is surely irrelevant as soon as you look further back as I tried to point out with the massive graph I posted previously? The rate of increase may take us back to a level seen a very long time ago if nothing changed over the next few centuries but is nothing changing?
Global Warming was renamed. The climate is changing, why is that bad? The blatent use of fear with Covid behaviours shows more plainly what is being done with Climate Change and that approach will not help "their" cause, whatever that actually is. Even if you have bought an EV, moved into a new, insulated, heat pumped, city centre tiny house and have been double jabbed and boostered there will be something else coming soon to argue about. The Emperor's new clothes.
If you don't turn the MSM on you wouldn't even know you're supposed to be worried
RobinBHM
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Ah the good old “the media is getting hysterical” claim
that’s the same garbage unsubstantiated claim made about Covid.
Yeah the MSM never do that.
Hallelujahal
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RobinBHM
Established Member
the good old “media is spreading fear” argument.
it’s a lazy argument, using emotive terms that can’t be measured.
using words like “fear” and “worried” conveniently ignore nuance.
your argument conveniently classes “concern” with “fear”
RobinBHM
Established Member
only in your mad world
Ive never met anybody in my life “in fear” from media headlines.
it’s a lazy, childish argument…..used by conspiracy theorists.
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