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Blister":3nm17622 said:
Pete

Dont give up :?
I'm not going to give up turning, just trying to make do with bits of scrap and tools which I suspect were bought in B&Q or somwhere. I'll take a picture of them later on and show you what I mean. My frustation comes more from the fact that I suspect that with the same setup, tools and wood, Old Soke & Chas would be turning out seamlees bowl and dolls furniture. I keep hearing a little voice saying 'Bad workmen blame their tools.' :lol:
Pete
 
Bodrighy":2ofz6ptm said:
I keep hearing a little voice saying 'Bad workmen blame their tools.' :lol:
Yebbut, Pete, good workmen blame their tools too, if said tools are no good. :lol: Sounds to me, if you're having to sharpen so often, bending tools, etc, that you've no hope of concentrating on what you're doing and getting "into the zone". Plus don't neglect the efficaciousness of the application of sandpaper or scraper to, ah, assist in removing any difficulties. Personally I'd be lost without 'em... :-$ :oops:

Cheers, Alf
 
Hi Pete

Thanks for reminding me of me early days... frustration is part of the experience :lol: if we didn't have the sheety bits how would we be able to recognise the good bits :wink:
 
Pete.
Don't get dejected,just see it as a learning curve,we all have bad days. :oops:
As i said in the other posting treat yourself to some decent tools and you will see the difference straight away.Use your old ones still to practice with,sharpening etc.
If you lived close enough you could have some of my Ash that i've accumulated :wink:
Just seen the latest pieces very good they are too.The skill is there. :D
I like the candle holder :)
Paul.J.
 
Pete. Don't try to be too fancy with the shapes, concentrate on simple forms and producing a good finish, the percentage of tool use as opposed to the application of the 80 or 120 grit gouge referred to by Alf on the difficult bits soon swaps places.
 
CHJ":2csws7fw said:
Pete. Don't try to be too fancy with the shapes, concentrate on simple forms and producing a good finish, the percentage of tool use as opposed to the application of the 80 or 120 grit gouge referred to by Alf on the difficult bits soon swaps places.
I'ave Chas, honest :?
I have a small collection of practice pieces here

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The two with stars on them are bits of beech, the others are all offcuts of eucalyptus

I have been trying to practice different designs and things to get used to using the different tools and approaches. Biggest problem I have is still parting off. I can't seem to do it without burning.

I had a phone call today. My sister ahd been talking to her neighbour about me starting turning and he turned up with this lot.
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Includes a ring tool, deep bowl gouge, several bowl gouges, a couple of different angled skews and some spindle gouges.
The taped ones, all Robert Sorby stuff, he wants back some distant time in the future, the rest is mine to keep.

He also gave me this chuck. No name on it. I am guessing that it is rigged with a pen mandril but have no idea what the rest is. Anyone able to identify it? I would have to get an adaptor to fit my lathe but need to know what to do with it first
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Pete
 
Some useful tools there for you to get an appreciation of. At least you will have a better idea on which you prefer to use.

Chuck I have no idea on, I'm still a relative newbie at this wood turning lark, depends on the price of an adaptor as to whether it is worth fitting on the lathe for some tasks I guess.
 
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Little branch of apple, about 21/2" high, 1" across, no finish yet.

Need to practice getting grooves smooth with the tools. sanding rounds them off too much. Any suggestions?

Pete
 
Bodrighy":3gkuclpj said:
Need to practice getting grooves smooth with the tools. sanding rounds them off too much. Any suggestions?
Pete
Hard to say with my limited experience and I think each case would be different anyway.
Are you cutting them with a skew or a spindle gouge?

Ideas:

Fresh Razor sharp cutting edges, every chance possible use tool bevel to burnish wood surface.

Try using diluted sanding sealer before making cut, or lubricate with finishing oil if that is to be the finish.

If there is room, try backing your sanding medium with a steel rule or round bar (nail, pencil etc.) so that you have control of contact area.

Also try cutting grooves and cleaning them up BEFORE you finish surface. Use a hard backing for your outer surface finishing abrasive (steel rule) so that it does not enter grooves.

Hopefully Graham will have some better guidance for you.
 
getting grooves smooth with the tools. sanding rounds them off too much

It depends on, as Chas has mentioned, which tool you're using and how you're using it.

The skew gives a very clean cut which usually needs little or no sanding ... the tool is used 'on edge' as opposed to flat, using the long point (the toe) position it on the tool rest at 90 deg to the work.
A simple arcing cut (don't just push it in) will give a fine line; to deepen/widen the groove angle the skew to the right about 5 deg from vertical... a series of arcing cuts will establish the right side of the V cut. Repeat the process angling 5 deg to the left of vertical to match the left side to the right.

The reason the 'toe' is used is to allow you to see the cutting action, if you're competent try using the heel and you'll see what I mean :wink:

If you have an old chrome vanadium screwdriver laying around, grind it into a Bill Jones style 3 point tool... or you could buy the Crown tools (or other make) and make your own handle.
The three point tool has many uses but makes grooves and lines a doddle.

Sanding: if you've gone to the bother of including fine detail on your work you need to be very careful not to obliterate it. I always suggest to students that they use the index finger as the point of contact between you, the abrasive and the wood... this give you max control and feedback. Very little pressure is needed, a light contact is always best... better to make several light passes rather than one 'heavy'. Do not allow the abrasive to 'dip' into the groove when sanding the whole.

It's been a bit long winded but I hope it's of some use.

The box: luv the round dome! The lines (grooves) are not equidistant... it does take time to get your eye in... as with everything else, the more you do the better it gets :wink:
 
Hi Pete,

When parting-off, don't try and do it with just one width of cut, use the tool to make a second overlapping width cut so that the cut is slightly wider than the actual tool and do this aternately as you deepen the cut.

Easier to do than describe but you are basically avoiding the tool being jammed in a groove that binds on the sides of the tool and heats up the workpiece discolouring it.

If you are worried about losing too much timber this way then try a narrow parting tool, my favourite is only 1 to 2mm wide. A diamond profile parting tool helps also as it only rubs on the wider parts of the diamond shape, but you may still need a relieving cut (think that is a diamond profile parting tool second from the left in your picture).

Lower the lathe speed too when parting-off and this may reduce the heat build-up.

I think you're doing great, you've got an eye for shapes and proportions which is the difficult thing, the technique and finish will come with practice.

Cheers, Paul. :D
 
Forgot to say, I think the chuck is a collet chuck though not 100% certain.

These were popular before scroll chucks become available, but were quickly left behind due to being fiddly to use and very very limited range of movement.

I wouldn't bother spending money on it if you've already got your scroll chuck, spend the money on additional jaws for the scroll chuck instead or additional gouges etc.

Cheers, Paul. :D
 
Pete - I agree with Paul,you've made some excellent,well-proportioned pieces :D
The new chisels should make things a bit easier as well - after that,it's just a case of finding the right technique,and plenty of practice (or Grahams old friend,Percy Vere.. :wink: )

Good luck,

Andrew
 
Lazy Sunday afternoon

Don't know whether you class this as 2 turnings or 3. All cut from the same plank of wood and treated identical yet came out with different looks....strange

First a simple bowl, approx 4" across & 2 1/2" deep.

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Then either a wide box or a bowl with a lid. 4 1/2" across, total 5 1/2" deep.
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Cut the lid nice and tight to fit as a jam and had real trouble getting it off again as it heated up. OK now.

Don't know what wood it is. Pete
 
Nice work,Pete - you have an excellent eye for shape and detail (i.e. the lid on the second piece).
I also enjoy the simplicity of the first one :D

Andrew
 
PowerTool":e92mvmw4 said:
Nice work,Pete - you have an excellent eye for shape and detail (i.e. the lid on the second piece). :D

Andrew
Thanks, can't take all the credit tho'
Design is often dictated by the mishaps, little digs that decide a curve would be nice, bad bit of end grain that says, 'take a bit more off please' :lol:
Pete
 
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