London 2012 Logo

[mr]

In today's society with advances in computers everyone reckons they can be a designer.

That's certainly part of the problem, the curse of DTP leading to the world and his wife claiming that they and their four year old border collie could have done better and for a lower cost. The truth is that they couldn't have done better, as evidenced by the BBC s alternate submissions from "Joe Public" and the only reason they would be cheaper is because Joe Public has no conception of what goes into the work and therefore no conception of how any given cost is arrived at. However the fact remains that the Wolf Olins design, to my eyes at least, is poorly conceived, naive and indefensible.
Cheers Mike

 

[lurker]

The build is behind where it ought to be as to decontaminate the sites safely & properly would take about 3 years. As it is, the contracts to do the clean up job are still unsigned.
Ironically this backlog was due to a squabble about the site survey (of pollutants) as the quote from the most able firm was £100K ( 25% of logo bill) too high :shock: :shock: :shock: .
Another Wembley, Dome, Scots parliament in the making here, for sure

 

[Taffy Turner]

Apparently the construction side is already almost 4 years behind where it should be, so maybe it'll be London 2020 eventually? Lovely thing, hindsight... :wink:

How have we managed to get four years behind schedule when we only won the bid two years ago?

By very carefully recruiting the very highest grade of Numpties and Muppets to oversee the project management.

And then of course is all the time it takes to arrange backhanders, inducements, incentives etc for said Numpties by the competing contractors....(allegedly obviously!!). :?

Given the UK's recent record on bringing large construction projects in on time, we never had a prayer with this one.

Cynical - me?? Surely not....

Taffy

 

[dunbarhamlin]

The logo is, of course garbage. But on the plus side, every self aggrandising, despotic, frivolous or immoral misuse of public funds (yes, dammit, it's OUR money) moves me closer to stirring myself to find somewhere better to live.

Unfortunately I still have great fondness for the British Isles, its peoples and traditions, but the regard in which I hold Great Britain, its governance and institutions darkens daily.

Harumph. Perhaps it's just a bad day/week/year/decade. Need to make shavings.
Steve

 

[Jhalfa]

The emperor has no clothes!!

I went to meet with the design agency that created it once - quite some experience. The emperor had no clothes then either!

 

[lurker]

Jhalfa,

I think this is the basic work concept with a lot of these arty farty folks.

I really admire that Tracy Knickers on an old bed; to be so totally lacking in any skills and then conning these idiots to buy her stuff is truely amazing.

 

[Matt_S]

Would you as a woodworker be offended by being called arty farty?!?! If not then its fine describing Wolff Olins as such.

Branding and graphic design, just like product design do sometimes get close to art, with beautiful forms or images, etc. The key is they serve a purpose and are not just art. They are also close to art in the sense they are being compared to something with beauty and skill such as a Barbara Hepworth sculpture not Tracy Emin's bed!!

 

[mr]

They are also close to art in the sense they are being compared to something with beauty and skill such as a Barbara Hepworth sculpture not Tracy Emin's bed!!

or possibly because they are conceptual such as Tracey Emins bed rather than Hepworths sculpture. Referring to something as arty farty would be rather dismissive I imagine and regardless of whether one likes or appreciates the work of creatives of the ilk of Wolfe Olins (or Emins for that matter) I don't think they can be dismissed as easily as that.
Cheers Mike

 

[DomValente]

Why do so many designers think we need to think about what we're looking at, why does everything need to be dissected.
I don't want or need an 'expert' telling me what the artist was thinking or what he wants me to think.
If you look at the second logo in the first post of this thread you can instantly see what it's saying and then you see the cleverness of the design.
Rather like the impact of a well designed piece of furniture as you walk into a room, you only see the cleverness of design when you start walking around it or using it.

Dom

 

[mr]

Why do so many designers think we need to think about what we're looking at, why does everything need to be dissected.
I don't want or need an 'expert' telling me what the artist was thinking or what he wants me to think.
If you look at the second logo in the first post of this thread you can instantly see what it's saying and then you see the cleverness of the design.
Rather like the impact of a well designed piece of furniture as you walk into a room, you only see the cleverness of design when you start walking around it or using it.

Dom

Isnt that the difference between design and art though of course the boundaries can blur. Art has impact and makes you feel a response, of course you dont need an expert to tell you what your emotive response is, whereas design can be clever an have a use but not always trigger an emotive response though the best probably does.
Cheers Mike

 

[DomValente]

Isnt that the difference between design and art though of course the boundaries can blur. Art has impact and makes you feel a response, of course you dont need an expert to tell you what your emotive response is, whereas design can be clever an have a use but not always trigger an emotive response though the best probably does.
Cheers Mike

I rest my case

Dom

 

[Gill]

There's no wonder Seb Coe doesn't understand what all the fuss is about. He's partially colour-blind :lol: !

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/magazinemonitor/10_things/

Gill