Keir Starmer

[Yorkieguy]

So you're not too keen on our government standing up for our workers' legal rights?

'The British government [in 2022] criticised the company's actions and stated that it was looking at the legal ramifications, including whether P&O could be fined, and how other contracts it held with DP World were affected. The legal community was generally critical of P&O for seemingly ignoring UK employment law, and several law firms commented on the likelihood of any crew members' potential employment tribunal claim being successful on a number of grounds.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P&O_dismissal_controversy

For the avoidance of doubt, whether or not what P&O did was within employment law, I share the widely held view that it was reprehensible, and that whilst I’m sceptical about some aspects of the new worker’s rights, the fact that they will prevent such exploitation in future by any company including DP World can only be a good thing.

However, the message I’m getting is that even though DP World would need to fully comply, its inward investment should be boycotted in perpetuity. I doubt that is the view of Starmer. He can only work with the team he has, and I think he’s got his work cut out in that regard.

My candid opinion is that if DP World think the proposed investment will be profitable, and Starmer can smooth this over, and treats it as a learning opportunity to put his errant underlings on the right track, the deal will go ahead anyway. Maybe will know after tomorrow’s summit?

I just hope they are capable of grasping the fact that being in Government is very different from being in opposition. Mixed messages saying in one breath that they want to work closely with, and work in partnership with business and to see capital investment, then in the next breath slagging them off, is letting down the electorate and letting down Starmer too.

Every day seems to bring yet more missteps which eclipses and nullifies the messages that Starmer is trying to get across. What’s more he doesn’t seem to grasp that if he keeps banging on about what a state the country is in, he’s running the country down, destroying hope and confidence, and making people miserable rather than optimistic.

At the summit tomorrow, there will be 200 senior business leaders present.
For all our sakes, I wish Starmer every success.

 

[Spectric]

Maybe the deal will be to bring the migrants over on their ferries to make the journey safer rather than the rubber inflatables and the French could clear their backlog much faster.

 

[Blackswanwood]

For the avoidance of doubt, whether or not what P&O did was within employment law, I share the widely held view that it was reprehensible, and that whilst I’m sceptical about some aspects of the new worker’s rights, the fact that they will prevent such exploitation in future by any company including DP World can only be a good thing.

However, the message I’m getting is that even though DP World would need to fully comply, its inward investment should be boycotted in perpetuity. I doubt that is the view of Starmer. He can only work with the team he has, and I think he’s got his work cut out in that regard.

My candid opinion is that if DP World think the proposed investment will be profitable, and Starmer can smooth this over, and treats it as a learning opportunity to put his errant underlings on the right track, the deal will go ahead anyway. Maybe will know after tomorrow’s summit?

I just hope they are capable of grasping the fact that being in Government is very different from being in opposition. Mixed messages saying in one breath that they want to work closely with, and work in partnership with business and to see capital investment, then in the next breath slagging them off, is letting down the electorate and letting down Starmer too.

Every day seems to bring yet more missteps which eclipses and nullifies the messages that Starmer is trying to get across. What’s more he doesn’t seem to grasp that if he keeps banging on about what a state the country is in, he’s running the country down, destroying hope and confidence, and making people miserable rather than optimistic.

At the summit tomorrow, there will be 200 senior business leaders present.
For all our sakes, I wish Starmer every success.

The deal is going ahead …

https://news.sky.com/story/po-ferri...calling-for-boycott-of-shipping-firm-13232541

 

[spanner48]

Does the U.K. have high unemployment?

A = no, we have almost full employment.

I am very grateful for all those immigrants coming here and fuelling our economy

Anyway I find immigrants more pleasant than English white chavs that spend their Friday nights fighting.



Imagine this: English chavs talking about how much foreigners have ruined this country while deciding whether to go out for an Indian or a Chinese

I suggest the last two sentences explain the emotional underpinnings to his contorted reasoning . . .

 

[spanner48]

Maybe the deal will be to bring the migrants over on their ferries to make the journey safer rather than the rubber inflatables and the French could clear their backlog much faster.

Why ferries? Nasty, wet, seasick-promoting. Surely flights – First Class, of course!

 

[MikeJhn]

Housing is nearly half the UK price, which in terms of cost of living is the biggest single factor, and also the reason for the mass exodus from UK. Seems like half the people I know have houses in France, or had them - things getting difficult after brexit. Living in France is cheaper.

Well yes they got their ethnic policy wrong by simply denying the issue. Idealistic and well intentioned, but ignoring the reality of their colonial history. Religion is just a detail - post-colonialism is the real issue.

You really do not have any idea of the cost of living in France, its land that is cheap if it has an old building on it, it's still cheap, then you have to spend thousands to make it habitable, new housing bricks and mortar are on par with UK costs, Living in France is NOT cheaper you can just eat and get drunk cheaper, income tax is much higher, tax d'habitation is on par with the UK, tax d'fonciers is only paid by people with second homes, the sneaky way France moved the tax that the EU tried its best to make illegal.

IMO France has got it's ethnic policy just about right by addressing the issue of their colonial history, its that religious detail that is causing the attacks and deaths in the streets/school of France, they are now going even further by the introduction of school uniforms to prevent segregation.

 

[spanner48]

Not really sure what your point is - unless it is some sort of anti-immigrant, possibly racist slur.

If you look further in the Migration Observatory report you will note that it is predominantly the older generation who at immigration had no or limited English - 39% of those age 50+ compared to less than 7% below the age of 25.

No real surprise granny may not speak English - and may struggle to do so even after living here many years.

The Spanish comparator - from a survey in 2011 (although I doubt much has changed):

A EuroWeekly News article reported that many British expats in Spain speak no more than 10 Spanish words per week. A survey of British migrants in Málaga found that 60% did not speak Spanish well.

Many, possibly most Brits retiring to the sun are retirees and those 50+ who have accumulated sufficient to retire early. If anything they are less adequate than the older UK immigrant.

"Anti-immigrant"? It is a factual report on the numbers reported. It rebuts the point frequently made by the "unlimited immigration" woke, tha immigrants integrate with the local culture.

"Racist slur"? Who mentioned race first? Kindly get off your anti-racist horse.