Phil Pascoe
Established Member
They lurched far right? They were barely right of centre, that's why they lost.
Here's just a snippet of Starmer's commitment to the electorate:So what has Starmer not done exactly?
he is doing exactly what is possible: growing the capacity to process the asylum claims, increasing efforts to build international cooperation to stop the gangs and increased investment in intelligence.
Sadly the efforts to collaborate with France and mainland Europe on intelligence and diplomatic means have been severely curtailed due to Brexit.
Very uninteresting so far........
I'm sure we'll await developments with interest......
I'm not sure that really passes a sanity check Phil; unless we'd consider previous Conservative governments to be "lefty" by comparison. Whilst there's always been an anti-European/anti-foreigner element in the Tory party, they'd always been just that - the nutters on the fringe (a loud fringe, but still the fringe). In recent years the Tories have cleansed themselves of any remotely moderate or intelligent members (e.g. Grieve, Stewart) and fully put the loons in charge. They tried so hard to turn the party into UKIP they forgot that UKIP was always a clown show, with a rotating door of terrible leaders (which is exactly what they've become).They lurched far right? They were barely right of centre, that's why they lost.
It's a big vote catcher - there are a lot of Alf Garnetts!Interesting how the 'Starmer' thread has been reduced to immigration, an issue put firmly on the agenda by the Conservatives when they were in power, elevated by Farage and Reform and the right-wing media, when - let's face it - there are far bigger fish to fry in the UK and the world at the moment. Chattering while Rome burns/ deckchairs while the Titanic sinks etc.
It's a Tory issue, like the EU/ Brexit nonsense - designed to distract from the real issues that face us.
Really? Surely it is like the worst possible way, judging by events so far. Doesn't make sense and sounds like more of the usual anti immigrant propaganda.Also of concern, various well connected and credible people are saying in the serious media that the boats are an excellent way to smuggle extremists and terrorists into the country
And cheap housing and also highest levels of low skilled indigenous population. They have to start somewhere!
Vice versa the least depressed areas generally have the highest levels of high skilled immigrants / indigenous.
Absolutely untrue. Huge areas of public and private businesses would collapse entirely without the immigrant workforce, and there are shortages now.
Of course it has.
Utterly ideologically what?You’re a total fantasist and utterly ideologically.
Both irrelevant because the winner will only ever be the leader of the remains of the tory opposition party and as mentioned it is thought the next potential tory PM may not have even been born yet. I can see the remains of the tory party dividing though because they seem to be so far apart in their views.with the lovely news that the next Tory leader will be one of Badenoch or Jenrick
Turn up in somewhere like the states or Australia uninvited and you are not welcomed, they have border control and enforce it. Here we have the RNLI acting as a ferry and seem to welcome them with open arms without asking questions or seeing their documents because they have been thrown overboard.I dont understand where this phrase "open borders comes from
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