Phil Pascoe
Established Member
They lurched far right? They were barely right of centre, that's why they lost.
Keir Starmer
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Yorkieguy
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Here's just a snippet of Starmer's commitment to the electorate:
Quote:
Labour will turn the page and restore order to the asylum system so that it operates swiftly, firmly, and fairly; and the rules are properly enforced. We will hire additional caseworkers to clear the Conservatives’ backlog and end asylum hotels, saving the taxpayer billions of pounds.
Labour will set up a new returns and enforcement unit, with an additional 1,000 staff, to fast-track removals to safe countries for people who do not have the right to stay here. We will negotiate additional returns arrangements to speed up returns and increase the number of safe countries that failed asylum seekers can swiftly be sent back to. And we will also act upstream, working with international partners to address the humanitarian crises which lead people to flee their homes, and to strengthen support for refugees in their home region.
Unquote.
Here, in full, is his 'STRONG FOUNDATIONS' manifesto commitments to voters prior to the election.
https://labour.org.uk/change/strong-foundations/
'Fast-track removals to safe countries'?
In the year ending June 2024, the top five countries of origin of people seeking asylum were Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, Vietnam and Bangladesh. (In terms of the number of asylum applications per head of population, the UK ranks 20th highest in Europe).
None of those are safe countries to which to return failed asylum seekers.
As of the end of June 2024, the UK's asylum backlog was 85,839 applications awaiting an initial decision. It has risen considerably since then. On average, 63% of applications to become refugees with an indefinite right to remain are successful. Hence, it's reasonable to assume that of those 85,839, 27% (23,176) will fail. With whom will Starmer 'negotiate to fast track removals of those who do not have the right to say here, so they can be 'swiftly sent back to'?
It's easy enough to send 'economic migrants' from Albania back there, but with whom is he going to negotiate in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iran, (and with the Middle East a powder keg?)
How is he going to: 'work with international partners to address the Humanitarian crisis causing people to flee their homes?'
Ascertaining who doesn't have a right to be here is one thing - fast-tracking their removal to 'safe countries' is quite another.
It's never a wise thing to do to 'overpromise and underdeliver' as you look either incompetent or deceitful, or both.
I'm sure we'll await developments with interest.
ey_tony
Established Member
Correct me if I'm wrong on this but hasn't Labour just announced that migrants will be housed in hotels for the next three years...if that is true then no doubt they will say that they didn't realise things were so bad!
Jacob
New Luddism. Awake and resist!
Very uninteresting so far.
He's promised to "smash the gangs". Just another meaningless gesture to keep our Alf Garnetts happy.
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sploo
Somewhat extinguished member
I'm not sure that really passes a sanity check Phil; unless we'd consider previous Conservative governments to be "lefty" by comparison. Whilst there's always been an anti-European/anti-foreigner element in the Tory party, they'd always been just that - the nutters on the fringe (a loud fringe, but still the fringe). In recent years the Tories have cleansed themselves of any remotely moderate or intelligent members (e.g. Grieve, Stewart) and fully put the loons in charge. They tried so hard to turn the party into UKIP they forgot that UKIP was always a clown show, with a rotating door of terrible leaders (which is exactly what they've become).
Interesting how the 'Starmer' thread has been reduced to immigration, an issue put firmly on the agenda by the Conservatives when they were in power, elevated by Farage and Reform and the right-wing media, when - let's face it - there are far bigger fish to fry in the UK and the world at the moment. Chattering while Rome burns/ deckchairs while the Titanic sinks etc.
It's a Tory issue, like the EU/ Brexit nonsense - designed to distract from the real issues that face us.
It's a Tory issue, like the EU/ Brexit nonsense - designed to distract from the real issues that face us.
Jacob
New Luddism. Awake and resist!
It's a big vote catcher - there are a lot of Alf Garnetts!
Starmer doesn't have a policy so he just blags on along the same lines, freewheeling, waiting for inspiration.
Jacob
New Luddism. Awake and resist!
Really? Surely it is like the worst possible way, judging by events so far. Doesn't make sense and sounds like more of the usual anti immigrant propaganda.
“They have to start somewhere”
When do the native population get to start?
How will they get worth while paying jobs
when they have to compete with people who will live 3/4 a bedroom?
There is no data to back up your ideological claims. We’ve had mass migration for nearly 20 years and no economic growth.
The burden on society though has gone through the roof. Every European country has done the figures and it is now conclusive that mass immigration is a net drain on the system.
It’s literally bankrupting us.
I even gave you the data from the OBR and the BBC to back it up and you ignored it.
You’re a total fantasist and utterly ideologically.
Utterly ideologically what?
