Inspirational weekend with japanese saw doctor

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Hi all, I've just spent an amazing two days watching and learning about the work of Mr Shoichi Nagatsu. He's a saw doctor based in Kyoto and has been sharpening and tuning saws since apprenticing at 15. He's now 78 so that’s a lot of experience!
One of the interesting things about the weekend was that he's developed a hybrid of european and japanese saw styles.
He says he thinks push saws are more efficient than pull saws and favours a gentler rake more in keeping with european rakes, at the same time using the cutting faces used on traditional japanese saws styles.
He demonstrated some push versions of double sided japanese saws as well as re-cutting someone's 16 point Veritas to 8 points. It made a very fast and very smooth cut. Brilliant.
Another highlight was the anvil work where he re-tensioned some of the attendees saws. I know little about the theory of saw tensioning but to watch him do this, all by feel and eye was amazing. Tiny taps too.
All in all an excellent weekend and a privilege to watch someone who makes his skill look not effortless, but almost careless.
I can’t say I’m likely to become any better at sharpening in a japanese style than I am at sharpening european style but you've gotta give it a go haven't you? : )

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WOW! That's simply incredible. You are so lucky to have seen his demonstrations!

I particularly like the Veritas saw teeth...that's something else! Now if it were just a brass back job..I'd shell out good money for one of those!

If it performs as you say it does, I'd say that was a winning blend of Eastern and Western craftsmanship!

The sharpening vise is amazing...and so obvious when you think about it! I can't get my legs up into that posture anymore but I would even try sharpening my own saws if I could! Brilliant!

Lovely pictures too!

Cheers mate..much appreciated.

Jim
 
milkman":2hfjsmwr said:
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Paging Rob Lee, paging Rob Lee...

BugBear
 
jimi43":241hrroo said:
The sharpening vise is amazing...and so obvious when you think about it! I can't get my legs up into that posture anymore but I would even try sharpening my own saws if I could! Brilliant!
It was all very japanese with us in socks and sitting on the floor but then eventually he said he usually works from a chair as he's too stiff to be cross-legged all the time!

A 'local hero' made up some saw vices for us so I'll be giving this a go as soon as I can. Preferably before I forget everything!

Marko
 
houtslager":1x4lqoag said:
very jealous - where and when did this happen by the way ?
Any more pics ?

K
It was organised a while back by a timber framer via some german carpenters who've worked in Japan. The saw doctor came to europe to do run courses in Czech republic and Germany and was persuaded to come to the New Forest which is where I got the chance to see him in action.

I do have some more photos but they aren't very informative as he was working on smallish saws for a lot of the time.
 
New Forest - the one in Hampshire?
If so that was kept very quiet?
I would have loved to have gone.

Rod
 
Harbo":16n6w3c1 said:
New Forest - the one in Hampshire?
If so that was kept very quiet?
I would have loved to have gone.

Rod
Michael Huntley went to this event and he was coming to the Bash in Wilton last Sat. Had it taken place, we'd have learnt alot more about it as he was one of the participants. As it is, I'll have to find out what went on next time I see him :) which will be at the end of the month - Rob
 
Sorry for late reply. Have been off grid for the week.

There were a couple of people I didn't get to talk to and I realise Michael was one. Quite a quiet chap.

This circulated amongst the timber-frame/greenwoodworking community I think. At least that's how I heard about it.
 
bugbear":rn7jlqtq said:
milkman":rn7jlqtq said:

Paging Rob Lee, paging Rob Lee...

BugBear

Hi BB

The first prototype of the Veritas dovetail saw used a reversed Japanese blade. I used it to cut quite a number of dovetails ... and did not twig to the construction. Rob mentioned it, I did a double take, and went out to cut more dovetails. It was a smooth performer.

I am not sure why it was not kept, but the saw went through several protypes before ending with the current blade (which I believe is shaped in Japan).

Somewhere on the Net are images of the saws at one of the USA woodshows. It wouldn't surprise me if you had them in your database.

Regards from Perth

Derek
 
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