Info on this filletster?

[Derek Cohen (Perth Oz)]

Can anyone add any info on this newly acquired skew-bladed filletster?

Built by I.Hobson of Leeds, I was told it appears to date to between 1800 - 1809 (when he was in partnership with Thomas Benton).

I must admit that I was taken with the condition, which would be quite amazing if indeed this is a 200 year old plane, and so bought it impulsively. Later I did note that it does not use a nicker.

Regards from Perth

Derek

 

[Mirboo]

I can't provide any info about the plane's lineage but it sure looks nice. I reckon I'd have bought it impulsively too if I'd seen it in the wild (or wherever you found it).

 

[Amateurrestorer]

I don't know about the plane but it looks as if one of the owners went on to be a millionaire bookseller(WH Smith !)

 

[Alf]

Mmm, crispy. Not sure I can stand to see any more wooden planes that look like they're fresh out of the factory; I can feel myself slipping!

Derek, where did the Hobson dates come from, 'cos BPMs doesn't give any at all so if they're copper bottomed then I'll pencil them into my copy. And what's the other name stamp say? I know, nosey me... Incidentally, as a sash fillister, it wouldn't have any use for a nicker - which is rather why I don't but the fillester-is-the-name-for-a-crossgrain-rebate argument (but that's another topic!)

Cheers, Alf

 

[Derek Cohen (Perth Oz)]

Hi Alf

The seller mentioned that the info came from Goodmans.

Pray tell, what is a sash fillister when at home? There was I imagining it was a (cross grain) filletster. I confess to ignorance.

Regards from Perth

Derek

 

[Alf]

Well the seller's dotting a few too many Is for me - he's basing it on the possible partnership of Hobson and Thomas Benton (there's a known Hobson & Benton/Leeds mark) which has a) not been proved either way despite research, and b) I'd hate to guess how many Hobsons could be found in Leeds so no reason to assume there's any connection at all. Having said which, the wedge shape (at the top) looks like it could be an older variety, but how reliable an indicator that really is I have no idea.

A sash fillister was (perhaps still is by someone?) used to plane the rebate in the glazing bars for sash windows. It's brilliance is it's designed to leave a set width of unrebated stock, rather than a set width of rebate. i.e. It planes on the other side of the work to the fence. Very important when you're wanting your front face of moulded glazing bar all uniform. It also puts less stress on the fragile glazing bars than a standard rebate plane would. By the very nature of the glazing bars they just didn't present any need for cross grain working - and would have probably been damaged if you'd tried, as far as I can gather.

One of these days it's be extrememly cool if someone'd do a step-by-step on making a sash window using all the dedicated tools for the task. Luckily I don't have any of them except more only-one-of-the-pair sash moulders than I can comfortably justify. :lol:

Cheers, Alf

 

[Anonymous]

Alf wrote:

A sash fillister was (perhaps still is by someone?) used to plane the rebate in the glazing bars for sash windows. It's brilliance is it's designed to leave a set width of unrebated stock, rather than a set width of rebate. i.e. It planes on the other side of the work to the fence. Very important when you're wanting your front face of moulded glazing bar all uniform.

Errr... https://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums...tdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=norms+sayings
i'm not too clever on posting links... :wink:

Andy

 

[Alf]

Sorry, Andy - which bit am I looking at? #-o

Cheers, Alf

 

[bugbear]

One of these days it's be extrememly cool if someone'd do a step-by-step on making a sash window using all the dedicated tools for the task. Luckily I don't have any of them except more only-one-of-the-pair sash moulders than I can comfortably justify. :lol:

Cheers, Alf

IIRC there was an article in TATHS. I don't have it.

BugBear

 

[Alf]

Yeah, I think you're right - I don't have it either. But an all-singing, all-dancing web-based version would be even better, would not it?

Cheers, Alf

Eight...

 

[Alf]

Sorry, Andy - which bit am I looking at? #-o

Ah, as far as I can gather I think Andy feels he knew the answer to what a sash fillister is first, so I shouldn't have troubled you with my explanation. Not sure how we arrived at that via said thread, but anyway... Sorry about that. I must have missed a memo because it seems to be a recent phenomenon (only applicable to me, as far as I can gather) that I have to be the originator of information in order to include it in one of my posts. Lucky it's just me, eh? 'Cos if it applied to anyone else you might have had to wait a while to find out the answer as presumably the first person to understand how they worked is rather dead by now.

Cheers, Alf

Seven...

 

[Derek Cohen (Perth Oz)]

Alf notes:

as far as I can gather) that I have to be the originator of information in order to include it in one of my posts.

The thread in question had these contributions:

At one point Alf said:

Adam Cherubini over on Wood Central is trying to get everyone to call a cross-grain rebate a "fillister" and says that's correct. I fear we'll be saddled with "cross grain" and "with the grain" riders to these terms for many years yet, if they're to be accurately understood.

and Andy King replied:

But what about a sash fillister plane Alf? That's specifically for running rebates along the grain for the glass to sit into, but designed to register from the opposite side of the rebate to leave a set amount of timber in, not take a set amount out.

Not nearly enough information.

Regards from Perth

Derek

 

[bugbear]

OLDTOOLS thread on sash-fillistering

http://nika.frontier.iarc.uaf.edu/~cswi ... =1#message

BugBear