India’s successful Moon Landing

[Spectric]

Technically speaking money is irrelevant. Access to resources is what counts.

But to get the resources requires money because that is the way the economy works, we are forced to place far to much importance on money simply because that is how the system works and how we obtain the resources needed but at the same time for many enough is never enough and there live is only about the money which has a negative impact on the majority. It is getting worse because we have been slowly manipulated down the cashless society route and now cash is no longer king.

 

[redefined_cycles]

@Spectric I'm not vegetarian as such but on a halal diet. So no alcohol, and veg is always halal (even wine vinegar as it's lost it's capacity of intoxication and a different substance altogether) so rather than seek out halal (or kosher, which is allowed on the menu) it's just easier to say/ask for vegetarian... when out and about that is.

My mate Andy (senior nurse of a very high calibre - in terms of quality surgical and ICU nursing - IMO) gave up on our/his hospital canteen after asking for probably years about the state of vegetarian food. The staff just didn't get it and though I kept trying to use the same hospital canteen/restaurant (when you cycle to work 40 miles, you want a bit of opportunity for hot food/scrambled eggs etc) for much longer than him, I also finally gave up.

Recently I went out with my cycling buddy Jon ('John' really, but I save a letter, only mentioning cos I'm of immigrant origin and wouldn't want anyone thinking I don't know how to spell John, or where the 'h' goes) on a 65 miler mtb loop. Towards the end when we were both knackered - and I'd ensured supply points were few and far between - we stopped at a post office with a little tuck shop. Jon's vegan and I'm the one that went in to grab some 'nosh'. The lady behind the counter just couldn't answer what was or wasn't vegan and told me, 'maybe he shouldn't be vegan'. I wasn't impressed and responded back polite, but negatively.

Anyway... hey, ho...

 

[redefined_cycles]

To make matters worse in the grammar/immigrant dept. After I finally got to the end of my nursing degree and navigated all the emotional abuse (from a few, not all), I ended up getting a 1st Class Hons. To top it off it came with an added nomination/award for Queens Golden Jubilee award (maybe for getting a 1st whilst being diagnosed with serious dyslexia) which was presented by none other than Captain Jean Luc Picard (our Uni Vice Chancellor and excellent chap - Patrick Stewart).

Amazing really what people with poor grasp of Engleterr (is that the French way!) can do when they really put their mind to it and the support is forthcoming!!

 

[MikeJhn]

Cricky in eight pages that is the biggest thread drift I have ever seen on UKW.

 

[Scruples]

I’m unsure how water at the South Pole will be of much help, as it’s the side of the moon that’s in constant darkness and freezing temps. The most in hospitable side of the moon.

There is no dark side to the moon. Dark side just means it's the side we never see from Earth. It is cool though, isn't it?

 

[NormanB]

Don't be silly.
Poverty in the UK can mean eviction and homelessness, amongst many other things.
https://www.jrf.org.uk/report/uk-poverty-2023

In the UK is that real poverty that can be compared to India or is the UK poverty related to fecklessness and learned helplessness created by four generations of generous welfare systems?

 

[Jacob]

In the UK is that real poverty that can be compared to India or is the UK poverty related to fecklessness and learned helplessness created by four generations of generous welfare systems?

No it isn't.
It's exactly the opposite - an inadequate welfare system, exacerbated by low wages, coupled with job and housing insecurity.
You need to stop reading the DailyMail, Sun, whatever, and take a look at the world around you. You are just repeating the nonsense they want you to believe.
Public services in Britain are currently being run down everywhere , for no good reason. The rot set in in 1979, 44 years of decline, making it ever harder to rectify.
"Generous welfare systems" are fundamental to civilised society.

https://www.google.com/search?q=an+...CDE1NTJqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

[Keith Cocker]

Yes I can completely understand the issue, some people just do not fully understand and you see so many incidents where they do not quiet get what being vegetarian is all about. Typical example is cooking so called vegetarian food on the same hotplate as something which once walked or cooking it in the same deep fat fryer along with dead things and being told that it is ok because the hot oil is neutral and ensures the vegetarian product is still vegetarian.

You make Vegetabalism sound like an Orthodox Religion.

 

[Cobbs]

"Vegetabalism" - my new favourite word!

 

[deema]

What I find really unacceptable, and just a lack of respect of the others views is when establishments cook my meat in vegetable oil, or utensils that have been used for preparing or cooking vegetables. Dont they understand that most vegetable oils cause cancer when over heated? I personally feel passionately that vegetables should be harvested humanely, not just ripped up mechanically fully alive not stunned and then stored without any water in cold conditions or frozen alive. Bloo*y vegetarians, barbarians

 

[deema]

Picking up on comments made by @redefined_cycles. There is a lot of myth about why Muslim men don’t cut their beards. I had issues with it when I was running company’s, so like any good engineer I decided I had to get to the bottom of it. Firstly I read Koran, and there is absolutely nothing to suggest or indicate that men should not cut their beard. The only mention about dress code is for both men and women to dress modestly. So, not being a Muslim and recognising that Im reading an English version and not having the background I consulted the local Imam on the subject. He confirmed that there is no requirement in the Koran for men to have a beard and they are fully compliant with Muslim beliefs if they are clean shaven. He highlighted that the passages that are used to justify not cutting the beard are from the Hadith, or sayings attributed to Allah. But, he also highlighted that the Koran is the ‘manual’ for life, and all answers are to be found in the Koran and the Koran is not for interpretation by man.

So the conclusion we arrived at was (confirmed and supported by the local Iman), that beards are not a religious requirement for Muslims. The Burka is not a religious requirement for women. We agreed that as a company I was not being Islamophobia to not provide PPE that met the needs of anyone who had a beard (there are some religions that this isn’t the case, eg Sikhs) or allow the covering of the face In the workplace.

 

[deema]

@Jacob, I may be the only person who understands your swipe at Conservatism with your comment about the rot starting in 1979, the year that Margaret Thatcher ousted Jim Callaghan. I’m also old enough to remember what it was like under dear old Jim, and the chaos of the Winter of discontent that provoked the election that saw Labour out of power for a very long time. Thatcher is a very polarising character, most again listen to the mantra without actually listening to what she actual said or believed in. Clearly she got some things wrong, but also a lot right, after all we all voted for her a number of times. For both socialist, liberalists and conservatives this is worth 15 minutes of your life watching.

 

[Jacob]

[... For both socialist, liberalists and conservatives this is worth 15 minutes of your life watching.

....

No chance! Can't stand the Dalek like voice and the sheer ignorance of the woman!
Switched off after her deeply stupid first words about the need for economic freedom.
"Economic freedom", unrestrained capitalism, led straight to slavery and the biggest wealth grab in history, imperialism, colonialism, not to mention the prostitution and other varieties of deprivation imposed on the less fortunate majority, if they survived at all.
We have been trying to put the genie back into the bottle ever since, but too late - it seems to have set in train climate change.

 

[deema]

No chance! Can't stand the Dalek like voice and the sheer ignorance of the woman!

A free society required you to listen to all sides of an argument, an ideology requires just a belief your right regardless of what the facts or reality actually are. Socialism requires government control of everything including what you’re allowed to think and believe, a disconnect of free thought and ideas. Your response is classical Socialism.

 

[Jacob]

A free society required you to listen to all sides of an argument, ....

Yep. And then make certain you reject the garbage!
"Ideology" is what right wing thought is all about. Crapmost idea being Thatcher/Reagans moronic "trickle down" theory.
The left are just bothered about getting things done on a civilised way, moving towards an egalitarian society, possibly without ever reaching it.

Socialism requires government control of everything including what you’re allowed to think and believe, a disconnect of fire thought and ideas. Your response is classical Socialism.

So you say but it is not true and there is no such thing as classic socialism - except as a right wing ideological concept, or "straw man", so to speak.

 

[redefined_cycles]

Picking up on comments made by @redefined_cycles. There is a lot of myth about why Muslim men don’t cut their beards. I had issues with it when I was running company’s, so like any good engineer I decided I had to get to the bottom of it. Firstly I read Koran, and there is absolutely nothing to suggest or indicate that men should not cut their beard. The only mention about dress code is for both men and women to dress modestly. So, not being a Muslim and recognising that Im reading an English version and not having the background I consulted the local Imam on the subject. He confirmed that there is no requirement in the Koran for men to have a beard and they are fully compliant with Muslim beliefs if they are clean shaven. He highlighted that the passages that are used to justify not cutting the beard are from the Hadith, or sayings attributed to Allah. But, he also highlighted that the Koran is the ‘manual’ for life, and all answers are to be found in the Koran and the Koran is not for interpretation by man.

So the conclusion we arrived at was (confirmed and supported by the local Iman), that beards are not a religious requirement for Muslims. The Burka is not a religious requirement for women. We agreed that as a company I was not being Islamophobia to not provide PPE that met the needs of anyone who had a beard (there are some religions that this isn’t the case, eg Sikhs) or allow the covering of the face In the workplace.

Thanks very much for the detailed insight. I'll tell my wife, friends, family and all the uneducated people at the local Masjid. Why couldn't I figure that out in all these years...

Tell that imam I said thanks

 

[deema]

Thanks very much for the detailed insight. I'll tell my wife, friends, family and all the uneducated people at the local Masjid. Why couldn't I figure that out in all these years...

Tell that imam I said thanks

You can probably thank him yourself, depending in which Masjid you frequent in Dewsbury

 

[Daniel2]

I hope India isn't reading this thread, it'll probably start to wish it hadn't
bothered.

 

[Blackswanwood]

Picking up on comments made by @redefined_cycles. There is a lot of myth about why Muslim men don’t cut their beards. I had issues with it when I was running company’s, so like any good engineer I decided I had to get to the bottom of it. Firstly I read Koran, and there is absolutely nothing to suggest or indicate that men should not cut their beard. The only mention about dress code is for both men and women to dress modestly. So, not being a Muslim and recognising that Im reading an English version and not having the background I consulted the local Imam on the subject. He confirmed that there is no requirement in the Koran for men to have a beard and they are fully compliant with Muslim beliefs if they are clean shaven. He highlighted that the passages that are used to justify not cutting the beard are from the Hadith, or sayings attributed to Allah. But, he also highlighted that the Koran is the ‘manual’ for life, and all answers are to be found in the Koran and the Koran is not for interpretation by man.

So the conclusion we arrived at was (confirmed and supported by the local Iman), that beards are not a religious requirement for Muslims. The Burka is not a religious requirement for women. We agreed that as a company I was not being Islamophobia to not provide PPE that met the needs of anyone who had a beard (there are some religions that this isn’t the case, eg Sikhs) or allow the covering of the face In the workplace.

I may be in a minority on here but I think that could be perceived as being more than a little disrespectful practicing Muslims.

My expectation would be that those following the Muslim faith and seeking to follow the Sunnah (happy to be corrected if I’ve got it wrong but I understand that to be the guidance from Muhammad on how to live your life) would see it as a requirement of their faith and certainly not a myth.

There are different interpretations within most religions.

 

[deema]

I may be in a minority on here but I think that could be perceived as being more than a little disrespectful practicing Muslims.

My expectation would be that those following the Muslim faith and seeking to follow the Sunnah (happy to be corrected if I’ve got it wrong but I understand that to be the guidance from Muhammad on how to live your life) would see it as a requirement of their faith and certainly not a myth.

There are different interpretations within most religions.

I ran company’s in numerous countries serving numerous religions. I found it essential to get a working knowledge of each as I found that all too often demands were mixed up with pseudo religious requirements. It was a mine field. Anyway, the basic premise as it was explained to me (and from my readings) on more than one occasion is that the Koran is the defining word of how a life should be lived with all answers held within. There are numerous Muslim based countries that do not require a stringent dress code / facial hair that is typically thought to be attributed to the religion. There is one Koran, only one word and not to be interpreted by man. Questioning, enquiring and going by the guidance of the religious leaders is not disrespectful, in fact I found that my enquiries were warmly welcomed.