India’s successful Moon Landing

[John Brown]

Shades of the USA spending $millions developing a pen that would write in zero gravity and the Russians using a pencil?

Urban myth, I believe. Nice story, though.

 

[J-G]

Does anyone know why going to that bit of the moon is so interesting? I understand the technical challenge, but not the reason for wanting to explore that bit.

Specifically since it is thought that there is water ICE there which can be used to sustain human life - once it has been melted by application of some energy of course.

 

[redefined_cycles]

I'm 3rd generation (grandson of an) immigrant. Indo-pak (ie. SouthEast Asian) background and my grandad, who was a legend and may Allah give him Jannah (The Heaven) was invited in about 1950. My dad came in about 1963 when he was 11 and dad his high school studies here.

My dad has perfectly excellent command of english but prefers to speak in his own mother tongue. Maybe due to that I speak 3 languages (English, Punjabi and Urdu) and can read 3 (English, Urdu and Arabic). I wasn't the best student and school in terms of english and grammar but I had an excellent teacher (Ms Johnson, late becoming Mrs Howe) and thus excelled at the language.

I have mates who are 2nd generation immigrants (like coming to the UK during highschool in about 1990) and none have a poor comman of english whatsoever. Even the ones that didn't bother too much with school/schooling despite being encouraged by their parents. I suffered racism all the way up until I qualified as a registered nurse (and yes, I did pay for my own studies after having been a bus driver and B&Q worker before that).

The racism was such that it started when I was in the 1st year of junior school - though I'm not mentioning the town I was brought up, nor the schools I attended including nursing school/uni and hospital as that would just cause stereotype - and this earliest memory was with my 1st year teacher. She was horrible and only now in my 40s and upon reflection (and getting my first job as a critical care nurse in the city) I realised it was the islamophobia gene at play. You see, my dad was/is an open muslim. The (insitutional) racism ended after I finished my studies at which time it went to the very top of the food chain!

During Covid I was one of the first out of my unti (at the time) to experience and look after a Covid patient. For approximately 6 years, on this unit as well as many others I gave out about £1000 worth of pens and other such items to help boost staff morale. The return I got when I finally left this unit (4 years as an agency nurse and then 2 years for Covid) was pipper-all.

Though I'm not bitter and our Mohammed (PBUH/Sallallahu-alayhi-wasallaam) taught us to not get bit from the same hole twice. So, though I do go back and yearn one day to start giving out pens once again, for now this method of boosting morale is on hold. As I said, I was one of the first to exp Covid from our unit and it was the time when PPE was a big issue.

I first shaved my beard (a part of me for the previous 18 years and more with a brief tiny stint without) to allow the ability to wear the sub-standard PPE that was being provided. Though I needed a solution to enable the beard and air powered respirators were at that time a thing of luxury. I enquired to 3M and was told there was a backlog of about 1 million units worldwide (not all faces fit the standard FFP3 masks, even without a beard, including small faces and/or the girls).

So I sold my £3k carbon road bike which I used for commuting to work for the past 2 years or so and was bought brandnew (as a frame) for about £1.2k. The £1k I earned from that - I sold it super cheap cos I needed to save life which is a big part of my religion and this was my chance - helped fund one of the last Air Powered 3M Respirators left in the country (one of the best with the best face mask too).

This respirator cost me about £950, which was about (I'm trying hard with my grammar, can you tell) £400 over priced. On a sidenote, I recently sold it with a fresh filter for about £250, but that's a different story. So, after Covid was finally done and many of the staff had left or just about hung on to their profession on ICU, I finally tried to claim back expenses for this respirator.

The threatening letter from HMRC wasn't having none of it and refused to acknowledge that there was a reason/need for me to have bought my own during the start of the pandemic. Including servicing and spares this respirator had cost me about £1.3K over the course of the 2 years, but I wasn't gonna argue with HMRC as a standard PAYE employee.

So, the point... I'm not sure. Maybe that 'the cousin' school needs to try harder if the 2nd or 3rd gen haven't got a grasp of the glorious 'english' and need interpreters... Or maybe, I'm just saying.

Interesting viewpoints and thread and though I may sound offended, I'm really not. I have been a part of SingleTrackWorld forum for many years and should such a topic come up for discussion there, you'd see (and I have done) open racism and hate speech. We're actually doing very

 

[redefined_cycles]

Oh... and yes, I do live in my own community. Don't frequent the public houses nor partake in the xmas celebrations at work. I also moved house (from said previous village/town I lived in) to get back into a street that was closer to the masjid for me. I also always ask for vegetarian in the hospital canteens and watch for thr bacon being splashed onto my eggs (in which case I go hungry if they can't keep the veg away from the meats).

 

[deema]

I’m unsure how water at the South Pole will be of much help, as it’s the side of the moon that’s in constant darkness and freezing temps. The most in hospitable side of the moon.

 

[Jacob]

Does anyone know why going to that bit of the moon is so interesting? I understand the technical challenge, but not the reason for wanting to explore that bit.

Because it's there. Basically hi tech willy waving.
There is the advancement of science and technology but of doubtful value, in terms of what society really needs.
There is profit to be made but mainly by encouraging governments to willy wave with tax payers money.
Bread and circuses in other words.

 

[John Brown]

So, the point... I'm not sure. Maybe that 'the cousin' school needs to try harder if the 2nd or 3rd gen haven't got a grasp of the glorious 'english' and need interpreters... Or maybe, I'm just saying.

Don't worry about Phil, he's got more friends and relations than Rabbit in Winnie the Pooh, and they all provide anecdotes to shore up his opinions.

 

[Tris]

The bit that made me laugh was the chap who, when questioned why that spot had been chosen, said if they find ice it can support human exploration and make lunar missions sustainable!

 

[Phil Pascoe]

Don't worry about Phil, he's got more friends and relations than Rabbit in Winnie the Pooh, and they all provide anecdotes to shore up his opinions.

They have their opinions and you have yours.

As a matter of interest have you taught in a school where nearly sixty languages are spoken, many as the first language?

 

[Jacob]

Don't worry about Phil, he's got more friends and relations than Rabbit in Winnie the Pooh, and they all provide anecdotes to shore up his opinions.

Also he's a victim of the establishment propaganda machine and the right wing media which encourage otherwise quite harmless individuals into blaming any identifiable minority for everything that goes wrong. It's been going on throughout history.
There is sometimes a crude but crazy logic behind it e.g. blaming the homeless for the lack of housing.
But face to face he'd probably be quite civilised!

 

[Phil Pascoe]

The only newspaper I read is the I.

 

[naughtymoose]

Does anyone know why going to that bit of the moon is so interesting? I understand the technical challenge, but not the reason for wanting to explore that bit.

For those wondering about India's trip to the moon, and not the politics of wealth and need...

Going to the moon for less than the cost of making the movie blockbuster Interstellar is a MONUMENTAL achievement. Only the USA, the USSR, China, and now India have achieved soft landings on the moon.

There are a total of eight countries (and one intergovernmental organization) have launched missions that impacted the moon: The US, Russia, China, India, Japan, the UAE, Israel, Luxembourg, and the European Space Agency (ESA). These impacts are sometimes deliberate, such as when India deliberately smashed a "Moon Impact Probe" into the surface and studied the debris that was dislodged. But most impacts are unintentional and caused by miscalculations or mechanical malfunctions.

The moon is the first stepping stone to Mars, and the rest of our solar system, then on to our tiny little galaxy. To be able to explore these places we will need water, and it is hoped that it can be found at the lunar poles. Chandrayaan-3's mission encompasses many goals, but the search for water is the biggest.

It's not dark ALL the time on the far side of the moon, only 50% of the time, as the moon rotates around us, and this side will be facing the sun.

 

[John Brown]

They have their opinions and you have yours.

As a matter of interest have you taught in a school where nearly sixty languages are spoken, many as the first language?

No, but my sister has. I think you'll find sister trumps cousin.

 

[Keith Cocker]

I see the passion and conviction of our left wing friends in their contributions so please convince me of why I should be a socialist. First off, there must be after over a century of struggle at least one socialist country that stands out as an example of the benefits that the ideology will bring. One that any socialist would willing climb on to an airplane and fly off to forever after packing up their goods and family and saying good bye forever to their native western capitalist homeland?

If they can’t name one country, then perhaps they would be so kind to highlight why this doesn’t exist?

Being left wing these days has nothing to do with being a socialist. Most of the Tory party mps when I was a teenager would be considered “left wing” today.

 

[Phil Pascoe]

I'd think most Tory MPs today would have been considered left wing when I was a teenager.

 

[MikeJhn]

I’m unsure how water at the South Pole will be of much help, as it’s the side of the moon that’s in constant darkness and freezing temps. The most in hospitable side of the moon.

Mushrooms grow well in the dark.

 

[Dave Moore]

Well done India.

As to the usual whining daily mail reading nigel farage worshippers going on about aid.

Most of our funding now is focused on business investments which help create new markets and jobs for the UK.

Poverty in India - Yes. Something India is addressing. It is a monumental task given the population is 1.4 billion
Poverty in Britain - Yes. Little being done about it though. And the UK population is tiny in comparison to India.

But have you seen the poverty in India?

 

[TRITON]

Of course, everybody is aware there is poverty in many countries, though not sure what point you are trying to make.
Or are you saying that because India has poverty, they should forgo everything and spend a few centuries trying to address that first before embarking on moon landings ?
Poverty in India - 13.4% of the population


Poverty in the UK - 20.2% of the population. Britain being one of the richest countries on earth.
HS2, etc etc. How much do we allot to those billionaire royal sponges ?

 

[Phil Pascoe]

Poverty in India is not eating, poverty in the UK is not have an I phone.

I agree on the royal leeches and HS2 though.

 

[Jacob]

Poverty in India is not eating, poverty in the UK is not have an I phone.

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Don't be silly.
Poverty in the UK can mean eviction and homelessness, amongst many other things.
https://www.jrf.org.uk/report/uk-poverty-2023