I can't believe this is happening...

[Rich]

Well for my money, I would put in a personal appearance at the local police station, explain the situation and that you have been threatened/intimidated, make sure it is documented, and THEN ask the police what they intend to do about it, if they say, "there is not much we can do" fair enough, get them to sign on the dotted line to that effect, and inform them that you will be contactacting your local MP re: the same.
It's time we stopped settling for second best in this country, we pay enough in taxes, we should expect and get better attention to our concerns, especially in the light of recent deaths through "rages" and the like, unless we stand up and be counted, things will carry on in the same vein, and we will still be grumbling this time next year.
Rich.

 

[Jenx]

Nice one Jake ..
Si, there's the advice right from the 'coal face' so-to-speak..

Hope you manage to get somewhere.


Rich.. sound words. :wink:

 

[head clansman]

Hi

If these people are real travellers back off :twisted: it's not worth the trouble that WILL COME YOUR WAY . even if there not sounds like there a load of scum :twisted: , police doing there usual thing nought , even if you do manage to get them in court, fifty pence a week if your lucky maybe for the first week or so then nothing , and it will cost loads to get them there and to keep pursuing then , don't do it walk away intact .

It's very nice to see Justice done and it is the right thing to do , but at what price are you prepared to pay :?: . hc

 

[Russ]

There's not really much the police can do. The reason most travelers act in this manner is because they know they can get away with it... and they do.

My Mothers toy shop in London had a visit from the local travelers site on christmas eve, they walked in and started filling black bin-liners with whatever they felt like nicking and calmly walked out. The police went to the site but they all claimed it wasn't them... even though she followed them..

No proof you see...

Personally, I'd put it down to a bad experience and hope the calls stop..

 

[Oryxdesign]

Sorry I haven't come back with an update for a while..... Yesterday the police rang in the morning to ask if we had any availability to meet with them. I answered my wife's phone as she is too scared to answer withheld numbers now (the only people who call her withheld is the intimidator and the police so she cannot distinguish between the two) I told the girl that we were available 24/7 and that as long as we got sufficient notice we could meet them where ever was convenient for them, I told the girl we would both be in our workshop today. An hour later I got a call from another girl at police HQ asking all the same questions and she said there was no record on the file of the previous call. An hour later I had the same conversation with another girl which was a little frustrating. Half an hour later a policeman rang us from his withheld mobile, he was a little cross as we weren't at home, he had been told we would be there all day, more frustration. I offered to drive back to meet him but they actually decided they could get to us quicker.
The two guys who came were efficient understanding nice people. They offered some advice and clearly laid out our position so we could understand where to go from here.
It seem that if I claimed on my insurance I can get the insurance company to 'hide' my address but the PC said that he wouldn't trust the system to not to make a mistake, so the intimidator could find out where I lived. The damage to my car is light, really it just needs the rear bumper filling and painting, probably a couple of hundred quid so I'm not too worried about that.
The worst thing though is that if I give in I feel I have let society down. He will think he's won and that he can conduct himself in this way and get away with it, when his children grow up they'll think all this stuff is ok too. The police tell me he has commited a crime (harassment with the treat of violence) but they can't really do anything until he actually comes round and beats me up, then I can call 999 and they'll be straight round to nick him. I don't know what he looks like by the way so he could be stood on that path outside now.

 

[Jenx]

Si... you do what YOU think is right, Mate ...

Bol*ocks to what anyone else thinks...
and nobody will think any less of you, for doing so.

Its easy for the rest of us to spout off about what we'd do ... we don't actually have to do it.. and if you're more comfortable going a certain route, as opposed to another... then thats absolutely fine. 8)

Don't sit worrying yourselves half to death though...
Its highly unlikely that anything untoward is going to occur...
and if 'bawjaws' wants the satisfaction of thinking he's put one over on you, and you'd just as soon be rid of the entire hassle.. then thats completely fine.

Fear is a powerful emotion..
the very letters themselves 'sort of' explain it in a way....
False Expectations Appearing Real...
... and it can mess with your head, and subsequently your happiness if you let it.
And for those who know how to maximise and manipulate it... however unpallatable that concept may sound.. its a very powerful tool.


It angers me, as it does you.. that some scrote gets away with this type of behaviour.... but the bottom line is all about looking after the wellbeing of Mrs Orxy and the little Oryx's if there are any ( :wink: ), the Oryx's dog, cat , pet rabbit.. and their collective happiness.
Everything else is a secondary irrelevance.

You take care pal.. sleep well and easy, and it'll disapppear soon enough, to be immediately forgotten.
You're clearly a gentleman.. and deserve better from the world.


Live well, my friend. :wink:

 

[wizer]

When I was knee high to a grass hopper, I was out playing on my bike with my brother. 2 Pikey kids came and stole my bike. Brother ran in to get my Dad who promptly went out and found them, gave them a slap and took my bike back. We had grief from them for a couple of weeks until my Dad had had enough and, shall we say, sorted it out. I think we/he was lucky that they got the message and didn't bother taking it further, because I have seen what the pikeys can do since then.

I totally understand your feelings towards 'doing the right thing'. But I honestly don't think it will make a jot of difference except put your safety at risk. If they were like that when I was a kid and like it now, then nothing's going to change. Law unto them selves.

 

[promhandicam]

. . . I don't know what he looks like by the way so he could be stood on that path outside now.

Could be a woodworker too and a contributor to the forum - probably into turning baseball bat type things

Steve

 

[RogerS]

I would go back to the police, and if you get an unsatisfactory response ask the officer for his name and number, and for a copy of their complaint procedures.

Now for the controversial bit...(and I've been robbed by a gypsie).....we have treated these people as dirt for hundreds of years, and then we wonder why they show our sort of society no respect. Australia has the same thing with aboriginals, who most modern urban dwellers see as drunken thieving spongers......forgetting that Aboriginals have been killed and kidnapped and abused and treated as outcasts since white man turned up.

It may not be our fault that these people don't comply to our norms, but it is certainly our ancestors' fault. Goodness knows where we go from here to make things right, though.

Mike

Oh spare me the bleeding heart, please. Do you want to extend this to any Scottish criminal because 'we' invaded them? The Welsh?

Oryx..I really feel for you and echo Jenx's comments. I still don't see why the police won't go round and follow up the harassment. Did you get any inkling from them if they really were pikeys or not?

 

[MikeG.]

Sorry Roger, I don't follow your drift. I'm just suggesting that kidnapping people's children, as the Australian government did well into the 1960's, and putting a bounty on their heads as happened up to the end of the previous century, might just lead to a little resentment.

Are you suggesting that we can do whatever we want to people, then expect them to live happily and contentedly within our rules once we stop?

Mike

 

[wizer]

I don't know what the Aboriginals have got to do with the British Pikeys/Gypsies of modern times.

Can you explain how they've been persecuted in a similar fashion? I've never heard of it.

 

[Rich]

Australia, china, Ireland, Guam, DOES it matter where? if folks are not willing to conform to the social standards set by the tax paying public of any given area of the earths surface, then WHAT is the point of voting and paying taxes, if we were ALL to take the same attitude of the said travellers, where would that leave us? I'm afraid that if we leave our futures in the hands of do gooders, we will very quickly arrive at anarchy and a Fxxk you jack, I'm alright society.
I dread the thought as I like and care for my neighbours.

Rich.

 

[MikeG.]

Tom,

I mentioned the aboriginals as an analogy......another set of social outcasts who were poorly treated and are now expected to conform. My basic point is that gypsies have been persecuted and treated as outcasts for hundreds of years, which could go some way to explaining why they don't try and bother living within our rules and norms. It doesn't excuse their behaviour.

Rich,

not logical, I'm afraid...........but also terribly parochial.

Does paying taxes mean you have to accept a foreign invasion........as you seem to suggest? Does the fact that Tibetans pay taxes mean they have to accept Chinese rule?

Presumably by this standard, the Vichy government in France had a right to expect all French citizens to accept Germany as their masters?

When Britain established colonies of a few hundred people in Australia, and taxes began to be paid, did this mean that the hundreds of thousands of original inhabitants had to accept white man's rule over land they had occupied for the last 50,000 years?

Why the hell are taxes so important?

Mike

 

[RogerS]

Sorry Roger, I don't follow your drift. I'm just suggesting that kidnapping people's children, as the Australian government did well into the 1960's, and putting a bounty on their heads as happened up to the end of the previous century, might just lead to a little resentment.

Are you suggesting that we can do whatever we want to people, then expect them to live happily and contentedly within our rules once we stop?

Mike

No, I'm not. Just that I'm fed up with people 'blaming' everything and everyone else for their 'troubles' and dragging up something that happened many many years ago rather than behaving in a civilised manner and taking responsibility for their own actions.

I have resentment against the bankers ...seething resentment against some of them such as Goodwin ..but that doesn't justify me behaving in an uncivilised manner (much as I would like to smack him one :twisted: ).

 

[RogerS]

Oryx..just a couple more thoughts.

This number that they gave. Is it a landline or a mobile? Landline suggests more towards it being a con (OK OK....back in your boxes, I know that some travellers have residential sites and will have landlines.)

Have you tried ringing it any more (from a number withheld)?

Did your wife get the number of the other vehicle?

Sounds to me as if they haven't got any insurance and maybe have been done before...maybe even on a suspended sentence maybe....so really really lean on the police. They are duty bound to follow up any threat such as that which you received.

Maybe things are different down in the South east but up here in Herefordshire our local farmers 'tooled up', as they say in the Sweeney, gave some toe-rag pikeys, who had been harassing a farmers' wife, a good kicking and sent them on their way. No further problems.

 

[MikeG.]

our local farmers 'tooled up', as they say in the Sweeney, gave some toe-rag pikeys, who had been harassing a farmers' wife, a good kicking and sent them on their way. No further problems.

but that doesn't justify me behaving in an uncivilised manner

Interesting logic here, Roger.

 

[RogerS]

our local farmers 'tooled up', as they say in the Sweeney, gave some toe-rag pikeys, who had been harassing a farmers' wife, a good kicking and sent them on their way. No further problems.

but that doesn't justify me behaving in an uncivilised manner

Interesting logic here, Roger.

Yes, it's faultless.

 

[Oryxdesign]

A while ago I had my workshop broken into and a lot of my tools stolen, we are confident that we know who did it, he also stole stuff from my landlord who had the neighbouring workshop. Eventually this caused me to move as the trouble has been escalating, since my leaving my old landlord has been threatened several times and lastly the guy came round and tried to hit him with a stick. My mate isn't a violent guy and I was surprised to learn that on this occasion he lost his temper and fought him, he came out on top that time but they have vowed to come back mob handed.
I have got hold of the address of the people who hit our car and been round to have a look. I can't find the name on anywhere but there isn't a house along that road without a number or name, there is however two caravans parked up in a small wood without a name at the gate. There are scrapped cars and rubbish everywhere.
I have had a bit of a quiet ask around about this guy, it's a big family who stick together, they aren't settled gypsies, they have chosen the lifestyle and they have been referred to a plastic pikeys and wannabes. They have a reputation for being idiots and nasty bastards. Whoever said they would try the ethnic minority thing was right. The last time he called he accused me of being a racist.
I do want to get sight of this guy so I can spot him if he comes looking for me but I'll think I'll leave things to cool off for a bit.
I am concerned that word may go round that I'm an easy target, I don't want to be forced to move workshop again but I don't want to pick a fight either. I do believe that generally 'what comes around goes around' but it's hard to see a good ending to this.

 

[Gary]

Be very careful when going round to his place. You could jepodise any protection you have under the harassment act should things kick off there.

 

[bluezephyr]

Someone i know had loads of trouble with travellers on his land, It seems money and 'connections' to people even they fear seems to do the trick.

Feel sorry for you, Not nice to feel like they have got you over a barrel with how they are above the law.
I'd certainly be in two minds which path to choose, I hate people taking the pi$$ and this is certainly what they are doing as they know they will get away with it.

Ever seen the film, Stephen Kings 'Thinner'? Fantastic film :evil: