Hourly rate for a sole trader joiners. Multi skilled

[Tasha90]

Hi everyone abit off topic. But how much could you expect to pay for a joiner on an hourly rate for a full renovation of a house including extention. Butility a joiner who can do all the stuff needed roughing finishing new windows kitchen hand made shutters hand made benches hand made doors. I have been told £25 per hour but don't know? Any sole trader joiners that could help me on the hourly rate would be much appreciated.

 

[RobinBHM]

It seems to me that quite a few of the items you require need to be made with machinery in a workshop. In which case you would need to get qiotes per item.

 

[Tasha90]

Hey thanks for the reply. Everything will be done on an hourly rate. As they are capable of doing all the jobs I require. What would you say an hourly rate is for a multi skilled joiner like this? Thanks again

 

[bugbear]

Hey thanks for the reply. Everything will be done on an hourly rate. As they are capable of doing all the jobs I require. What would you say an hourly rate is for a multi skilled joiner like this? Thanks again

Whose workshop and machinery will be used?

BygBear

 

[Tasha90]

No machinery will be used the handmade door is only to be made so it looks like the door blends in with the paneling in the bathroom.

 

[ColeyS1]

£25 is about right

Coley

 

[RobinBHM]

Most site trades are priced on a day rate for non quoted work.

Skilled Carpenters are in the £150 - £250 range, so you have been told about the right price.

 

[Tasha90]

Thank you guys the more replies the better so keep them coming everyone. So I can get as many different peoplestyles opinions as possible.

 

[RogerBoyle]

Hi everyone abit off topic. But how much could you expect to pay for a joiner on an hourly rate for a full renovation of a house including extention. Butility a joiner who can do all the stuff needed roughing finishing new windows kitchen hand made shutters hand made benches hand made doors. I have been told £25 per hour but don't know? Any sole trader joiners that could help me on the hourly rate would be much appreciated.

At £25 an hour I hope that you check on examples of his work as I think that's too cheap for what you have listed above. It may be you would be better off ... if you break the job down
For the basics like first fixing ----joisting and flooring , Putting new door frames in. Fitting staircase and fitting Kitchen I would expect around the £25 an hour
But making Doors, Windows, Shutters, Benches. Making the kitchen etc. I would be expecting these to be done on a quote from a reputable company and not cobbled together on site. It may be that you have struck gold and got a very capable guy but it may also just be somebody that is able to talk the talk and then leaves you with substandard products :duno:

 

[Roughcut]

Am I the only one that finds it strange that a "full renovation of a house" would be priced on an hourly rate? :duno:

 

[ColeyS1]

Am I the only one that finds it strange that a "full renovation of a house" would be priced on an hourly rate? :duno:

No it sounds frightening !!! Generally my payg customers, have had price work done before- even then I've had to explain why similar work has cost slightly more than previous jobs. The only other payg jobs have been from recommendation from other people.


Coley

 

[katellwood]

Am I the only one that finds it strange that a "full renovation of a house" would be priced on an hourly rate? :duno:

I bet the kettles never cold

 

[tomatwark]

The big elephant in the room I can see here is if the OP can keep track of all the hours, and also if there is a big fall out part way through when an interim bill is put in and the OP thinks they have been ripped off.

I would never take a job on like this on a day or hourly rate, and always give a price with clauses allowing for unforeseen stuff and also the old " can you just or while you are here" situations which always come up when you are involved in a renovation job.

Get a price from your joiner , it will not be accurate but it will give you some idea of what you are getting yourself into and then allow 20-25% on top for unforeseen stuff.

If your joiner will not at least give a rough idea of cost, walk away and get someone else.

 

[andersonec]

Personally I wouldn't employ anybody on a hourly rate ('specially if he carries a mobile phone) I would expect a price for carrying out the work, start to finish.

 

[Beau]

Distrusting lot

I only work on an hourly rate wether making furniture or site work. I am honest client knows this and never had any problems. The client can add endless "while your here" jobs and it's no bother. Yes maybe you can't trust everyone but we are not all trying to take the P. Maybe £25 an hour is the going rater but never asked more than £20 for site work but not been in the game much recently. Also prices will inevitably vary regionally.

 

[Lons]

Distrusting lot

I only work on an hourly rate wether making furniture or site work. I am honest client knows this and never had any problems. The client can add endless "while your here" jobs and it's no bother. Yes maybe you can't trust everyone but we are not all trying to take the P. Maybe £25 an hour is the going rater but never asked more than £20 for site work but not been in the game much recently. Also prices will inevitably vary regionally.

Hi Beau
I doubt that comment was aimed at you.

I'm retired now but built up a regular customer base and used to mix my pricing depending on the job, in general terms the larger expensive projects were always priced up and varied if changed. I always provided a detailed written estimate so no misunderstanding either way and that's something every tradesman should do imho.
Very difficult for example to quote for ground works on very old buildings before youve cut the turf as no idea what's below. Some of my customers would also save up a number of small jobs to make it worth going and of course I would always get the bigger ones from them anyway. Some I never ever gave a price to as they trusted me enough to know I wouldn't overcharge but on the flip side, I turned down work from people I didn't know or weren't recommended which solved any possibility of not being paid. Only had 2 customers in 18 years who were very slow payers and I just refused all further work for them which they came to regret.

You can easily price a job then if the customer adds on "while you're here jobs" just price as additional (make sure to tell them that at the time to save embarrassment), they know you're honest and understand after all it's your livelyhood and if they don't then they shouldn't be asking anyway. I can count on one hand the number of projects I did which didn't have extras or changes.

I built a stone barn 15 years ago and was implored by the customer last year to do a conversion in to a cottage which I turned down as I'd just retired. She employed a builder / joiner who a friend recommended and paid him hourly at £20. Biggest mistake of her life as I've been to look, his work is very poor, the site is a mess and he's very slow so costing far more than it should.

cheers
Bob

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

Most joiners will charge 200 a day but as tomatwark says get job on price otherwise you'll get mugged off. I always do work on a price - if it takes longer that's my fault not clients

 

[sawdust1]

£18 per hour for me whatever i'm doing, complicated jobs or easy, maybe time to put my prices up from what i'm reading. On site i never price a job as i'm always out on time taken and materials used.
If i'm in the workshop making furniture then yes i give a price as its simple to work out.