harvey industies Deft saws

[Jake]

Google is your friend

ROHS - The Restriction of the Use of Certain Hazardous Substances

http://www.rohs.gov.uk/Docs/Links/RoHS Regs Guidance - 21 June 2006.pdf

Basically it looks like you'd need the machines with ROHS.

Cheers

Aled

rohs only comes into play if you are a comercial vernture, all machines, must be CE certifide which is a minimum code for europe

Quick google says not:

Can I import for own use?
No, the EC's 'Guide to the implementation of directives based on the New Approach and the Global Approach' (the 'blue book') available at http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/newappro ... 282_en.pdf states note (30) in the side bar of page 18 under note (30) “Thus, imports for own use are also considered placed on the market…”. Therefore it is our view that EEE imported into the EU for own use even from another branch of the same organisation outside the EU must comply.

(from http://www.rohs.gov.uk/FAQs.aspx#10)

 

[ciscoeuk]

theres a bit of a grey area on this point of ce or rohs,

i no health & safety guru, so i am going to conceed

 

[wizer]

For the price difference, I'm really not fussed. I'd import the ROHS version. Not that I fully understand the difference.

So no one know how the customs work on importing machinery?

 

[Jake]

Having actually done what I should have done and read the Directive, it does only apply if you are 'importing professionally'. That might well still catch Cisco with his scheme, though given he is proposing to take a fee.

The other thing to be aware of is the supply of machinery regs, useful brochure here http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg270.htm

Again, one would need to be careful to make sure any import is not caught by this - note that a supplier cannot rely on a non-EC manufacturer's CE mark, he has to carry out due diligence to ensure that it meets all relevant standards himself.

 

[ciscoeuk]

So no one know how the customs work on importing machinery?

hi all

this is what i am investigain and will have answer's shortly!, thanks to a few people who are helping me!

as for ROHS i will have to add my list of investigation, sheesh!

just s thorght! the parts for the deft saw?? who will supply, as the poeple who have brought deft brand can only go back to the maker???? for replacement parts

 

[ciscoeuk]

The other thing to be aware of is the supply of machinery regs, useful brochure here http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg270.htm.
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link is dead

 

[studders]

Just seen the cost for delivery from China, for a tablesaw, for a single unit, £175 and presumably there will be duty to pay on top of that? Doesn't seem worth it to me, especially if something goes wrong and it has to be returned.

 

[Jake]

The other thing to be aware of is the supply of machinery regs, useful brochure here http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg270.htm
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link is dead

Try now. It was just a full stop getting amalgamated into the url.

 

[wizer]

Well I've been searching around trying to work out the import duty. Basically it's "How long is a piece of string". The clearest answer I could get is that it's typically between 3-9% but then it went on to say that it could be as high as 85%! So you pays your money, you takes your chances. There lies yet another risk with this method of obtaining machinery.

 

[Dibs-h]

Tom - most imports from the Far East accrue a duty at 6%, according to TARIC,

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds/tarhome_en.htm

The duty is payable on the total of

- goods price + carriage + insurance

then VAT on the lot at the prevailing rate. Carriage is taken to be inclusive of Fuel Surcharges, handling charges, port charges and anything else they can pull your pants down with.

ROHS - relates to restriction of certain substances and is mainly aimed at limiting the import of items with Lead in the solder, CR6 in Chrome plating and similar - and on the whole relates to importers who are selling the goods on. If the goods are not in general circulation RoHS might not apply - but an over-zealous Customs employeee or Clearance agent might make life difficult.

Also with importing - there is the cost of LOC's, as only a fool would do a wire transfer. All banks will charge for LOC's - then you will need an agent at the point of loading to validate you aren't being shipped a crate of bricks.

Also, all Chinese imports will be priced in USD - even if it's implied, so currency purchases need to be planned.

The cost of shipping vastly differs depending on things such as,

- is the manufacturer inland?
- are they offereing FOB to the nearest river port, or FOB to the nearest Sea port?
- is the quote from a specialist cargo consolidator or from "Take it or leave it"? Or from their mate who's making a markup?

Sometimes it's easier to pay that little bit more for goods produced by someone who is closer to a sea port than someone inland where you have to add the cost of shipping the goods to the nearest river port.

HIH

Dibs

 

[ciscoeuk]

Tom - most imports from the Far East accrue a duty at 6%, according to TARIC,

thanks dibs

you save me a load of research

after doing a taric search for table saw and machinary tax is 2.7% plus vat on top

after i get a wholesale price it seems to be a venture worth further investigation

all the best

 

[wizer]

That does help Dibs, thanks

Confirms my original opinion that by the time you've got it here, the savings will be minimum and the after sales service will be Zero.

Old Iron for me

 

[jorgoz]

I was unpleasantly suprised to find out that the Deft T30 table saw was no longer available in the UK. Over the channel (Belgium) the offer of a decent quality/decently priced table saw is the same as in the UK. You've got your on the cheap hobby machines and you've got overpriced 'quality' machines. I currently own a HBM table saw, a SIP 01332 clone and rate it as a good hobby machine (crooked tables, mitre slots that need quite a bit of fettling and still, table saw insert so so, lousy splitter, finish quality) and will be putting it up for sale to fund the Deft clone. By the way, what brand name will you be using ?

The HW110LG-30 fits nicely in between (though closer to the quality stuff for the money) and i'm happy to hear someone is trying to get it back into Europe. I for one am quite interested and will happily hop over the channel to pick one up, after fiddling over one in you proposed demo days and depending on the final price of course.

If all the manufacturers mentioned in the subject title sell this saw, and many of which harvest good reviews in the States, Canada and Australia (maybe in NZ as well ) i don't see any problem with the product. I wish you all the luck with your venture and hopefully until we meet.

PS. Bandsaws look good as well.

 

[Benchwayze]

If I wanted a table-saw I think I'd go somewhere like Scott & Sergeant, and see what they have in the used line. (Considering availability of spares of course.)

It might not be exotic, with fancy gizmos on it, but it would likely be British iron, and good British iron to boot.

Given the choice then of a serviceable Wadkin, over a modern saw, well I'd go for the Wadkin every time.

In the UK, it is up to the sender to pay insurance on the goods, (This can be added to the shipping costs of course.) Sender also does the chasing up if stuff goes astray. Only the sender has proof of despatch and for that reason, only the sender can file a claim. Too many slapdash eBay sellers don't know or ignore this, and use the same old 'if it don't arrive, hard luck' spiel! One of the main reasons I don't buy from eBay now.

John

 

[big soft moose]

If I wanted a table-saw I think I'd go somewhere like Scott & Sergeant, and see what they have in the used line. (Considering availability of spares of course.)

It might not be exotic, with fancy gizmos on it, but it would likely be British iron, and good British iron to boot.

Given the choice then of a serviceable Wadkin, over a modern saw, well I'd go for the Wadkin every time.

i tend to agree , if i had space i'd be looking at something like this

for 385 notes

or this

for 525 notes

rather than importing a lump of from china or wherever

unfortunately i dont have the space these would need so i'm currently stuck in the jts10/TS200 area of budget compact tables.

 

[Benchwayze]

Nice saws Moose,

Yes please, if I had the space!

John

 

[big soft moose]

Nice saws Moose,

Yes please, if I had the space!

John

I nearly bought the top one - but the death of my computer meant having to spent the available cash replacing that instead and in fact although i could just about fit it in i dont have the space to use it effectively so ive decided to leave the tablesaw until i have a bigger 'shop.

that said i may buy one of these for the new 'shop at work as, joy of joys, we are going to have three phase wired in (additionally to the eight single phase sockets)

 

[Benchwayze]

Some years ago, I almost bought a 16" saw, (Startrite if I recall).
I had the space then, but the sheer size and HP of the beast put me off.
I think Axminster said something like.

'Anyone who uses this saw at full depth of cut is a brave worker indeed.'
Not the best sales techniqe I thought!

I'd have had to sell it though to fit anything else in and there's still not much chance of having any bigger a a shop!

Good idea to have three-phase added though. Lots of better machinery will be available to you.

Regards

John

 

[ciscoeuk]

Some years ago, I almost bought a 16" saw, (Startrite if I recall).
I had the space then, but the sheer size and HP of the beast put me off.
I think Axminster said something like.

'Anyone who uses this saw at full depth of cut is a brave worker indeed.'
Not the best sales techniqe I thought!

I'd have had to sell it though to fit anything else in and there's still not much chance of having any bigger a a shop!

Good idea to have three-phase added though. Lots of better machinery will be available to you.

Regards

John

i agree with most of the the post but who has 3 phase in there workshop from the out set, that can accomodate machines that are quite big for small workshop,

hence i would like to supply both table and band saw for the domestic 240 volt, they do a 3 phase version but at a price

anyway i have desiced to start small

 

[big soft moose]

i agree with most of the the post but who has 3 phase in there workshop from the out set,

you dont have to have a three phase supply as most of the old lumps have dual voltage motors and can be rewired in delta rather than star and run off an inverter costing only 50 or so notes.

that said you are right to only import single phase to start with as there is no real need to have three phase machinary in a hobby shop - what benchwayze and i were saying is not that these are good because they are three phase but that we'd rather have an old uk machine , even if it is threephase and inverted, than import from china with the likelyhood of minimal aftersales support.

I'm not knocking what you are doing, and i'm sure there are those who will buy the imported deft - but it isnt for me.