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Hi all, I am building a replica classic caravan ready for a Classic Caravan World Record attempt on August bank holiday. I will be using plans from 1956 and I am not a fantastic woodworker so it will be a steep learning curve.
What I am wondering is not being made of money can somebody give me advice. The frame was made from ash originally varying from 1/2 inch too 1 11/2 inch. Now is there a cheaper hardwood nowdays without being heavier than ash or is ash the best way to go?, many thanks Steve
 
Ash is towards the cheaper end of the... lets say more desirable hardwoods (in terms of aesthetics, workability, hardness and stability). I'll use it for my drawer boxes 9 times out of 10.

It depends what you want from the wood, does its colour matter or will it be painted? If so then meranti or poplar will be a bit easier on the pocket while still doing the job very well.
 
Ash was commonly used for carriage (and aircraft) building. Being lazy, I can't be bothered tolook it up, but I'm willing to bet it has the right combination of properties (at a guess, not too heavy, but strong, but flexy rather than snappy).
 
Jake":31zix317 said:
Ash was commonly used for carriage (and aircraft) building. Being lazy, I can't be bothered tolook it up, but I'm willing to bet it has the right combination of properties (at a guess, not too heavy, but strong, but flexy rather than snappy).

And that's why Morgan Cars use Ash for their frames.
 
Yes, sorry - I actually meant coach-building not carriage-building, but I'll probably get away with it as I guess one was a continuation of the other.
 
Jake":cnjnyay4 said:
Ash was commonly used for carriage (and aircraft) building. Being lazy, I can't be bothered tolook it up, but I'm willing to bet it has the right combination of properties (at a guess, not too heavy, but strong, but flexy rather than snappy).

The same properties also make it excellent for making longbows out of.
 
frugal":1uos90u8 said:
Jake":1uos90u8 said:
Ash was commonly used for carriage (and aircraft) building. Being lazy, I can't be bothered tolook it up, but I'm willing to bet it has the right combination of properties (at a guess, not too heavy, but strong, but flexy rather than snappy).

The same properties also make it excellent for making longbows out of.
Not meaning to side track for a mo' Fergal :wink: :lol: ...but I thought that yew was the preferred material for the traditional longbow (at least in the past) with laminates of degame(sp) and lemon wood now finding favour? - Rob
 
woodbloke":1fsn6pqn said:
Not meaning to side track for a mo' Fergal :wink: :lol:

I know I have settled in here when people feel so free to insult my name :wink:

woodbloke":1fsn6pqn said:
...but I thought that yew was the preferred material for the traditional longbow (at least in the past) with laminates of degame(sp) and lemon wood now finding favour? - Rob

Yew was indeed the preferred wood for making lowbows, however yew grows a little too fast here, so the traditional English yew longbow was typically made with Spanish yew (There was a tax on imports of Madera wine of yew bow staves). Yews grown in churchyards had nothing to do with bow making.

Ash bows were typically made for munition war bows and were described as one of the 'meaner' woods. There were even periods where bowyers were required to make a certain number of bows of meaner woods for every yew bow they made. Presumably because archers only wanted to buy good bows of yew, and the bowyers only wanted to make yew bows, so they were legislated to make other bows to ensure that there were enough to go around.

Most of the bows on the reenactment circuit these days are ash or lemonwood as it is considerably cheaper to make than yew due to the scarcity of good yew (most of it is Canadian these days). A 90lb draw weight lemonwood or ash bow will set you back about £120, and the equivalent yew bow will be £400-500+. I have seen a yew bow on sale for £1,000, but that was mostly because the maker didn't want anyone to buy it ;)

I have a lemonwood self bow (all from a single piece, not laminated), and a lemon wood bow backed with hickory. My wife has an ash self bow. Other bows in the group include lemonwood, purpleheart and hickory laminates and a couple of yew bows. In fact I am going to introduce our groups bow maker to Yandles in the spring as they sell all of the required bow woods ;)

I have a 6ft plank of 3" thick ash I need to rip down into 1.5" squares to have a go now that I have a half decent spoke shave. The plans for making an ash bow are well defined and quite simple to follow, the trick is to find a piece of wood that will not explode when you start to tiller it ;)
 
When I was young ( early 1960's!), my father and I converted an ex army 15cwt pickup into van for me. The van section was built off the chassis and was plywood sandwich panels, possibly 1/4" ply on a 3/4" pine frame. This if course is a box section and each panel was light but very stiff. We even built a curved roof panel.

The point I'm making is that if this caravan is going to be made in much the same manner, then pine is perfectly adequate. Yes, ash is used for the Morgan chassis but that does require to have flexing capability - the panels of a caravan don't.

PM me if you want me to really dig deep into the brain archive to see what else I can remember.

OW
 
frugal":8cco1vdh said:
.... A 90lb draw weight ....

Jeepers, 90lb! I used to use a 42lb target bow that was pretty consistent up to 100 yards. Now I know why the longbow that I tried gave such a kick!
 
aesmith":29ci913n said:
frugal":29ci913n said:
.... A 90lb draw weight ....

Jeepers, 90lb! I used to use a 42lb target bow that was pretty consistent up to 100 yards. Now I know why the longbow that I tried gave such a kick!

To be honest most reenactment bows are between 25-40lb as the people who own them only shoot them a couple of times a year. My Lemonwood bow is about 55lb. I did have an ash bow that I ordered as 90lb and it arrived as 110lb, I could not fully draw it so I sold it to another member of the group. The group does have a bow called Bloody Hell that is 120lb (so called because that is the noise people make when trying to draw it for the first time).

Medieval war bows were in the 120lb - 180lb range, but then again they practiced every week from age 5 until they went to war at 16,
 
Frugal wrote
I have a lemonwood self bow (all from a single piece, not laminated), and a lemon wood bow backed with hickory. My wife has an ash self bow. Other bows in the group include lemonwood, purpleheart and hickory laminates and a couple of yew bows. In fact I am going to introduce our groups bow maker to Yandles in the spring as they sell all of the required bow woods ;)

Frugal, I have made quite a few items out of lemonwood but Yandels have run out and dont know when there will be any more, do you know of a good supply.
 
newt":3e4d91u3 said:
Frugal, I have made quite a few items out of lemonwood but Yandels have run out and dont know when there will be any more, do you know of a good supply.

Sorry to drag the thread even further off topic, I have a question for the bow makers:

Were are you buying your hickory from? Anyone know of a good mail order place? Its for bass guitar necks so 25 to 38mm thick by around 1300mm long, I havent worked out the exact dimensions yet.

Cheers!
 
Mikey R":3kla6wdw said:
newt":3kla6wdw said:
Frugal, I have made quite a few items out of lemonwood but Yandels have run out and dont know when there will be any more, do you know of a good supply.

Sorry to drag the thread even further off topic, I have a question for the bow makers:

Were are you buying your hickory from? Anyone know of a good mail order place? Its for bass guitar necks so 25 to 38mm thick by around 1300mm long, I havent worked out the exact dimensions yet.

To be honest I am just getting into the making, so I was hopig to get some wood at Yandles in the spring, however if they are out and do not know when they are going to get more in then that kind of blows that idea out of the water.
 
frugal":34bduo1a said:
To be honest I am just getting into the making, so I was hopig to get some wood at Yandles in the spring, however if they are out and do not know when they are going to get more in then that kind of blows that idea out of the water.

Ive found http://www.exotichardwoods.co.uk/Woods_List/Hickory.asp

Does anyone know if there are any other mills in the UK importing hickory?
 

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