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marcus":3ulylw2g said:
On a different subject I'm wondering what people think about the idea of using Japanese saws in the classes. I don't use them myself but someone suggested to me that kids might find them easier to use than a Western tenon saw - any thoughts?
I use Japanese saws now all the time and far prefer them to any Western style saw. However, I have my doubts about their effectiveness is the hands of enthusiastic, well intentioned newcomers, especially 'youf' who tend to go at things like a tostesterone fueled 'bull at a gate'. It only takes a moment of innacuracy or carelessness to twist or buckle the blade and the saw is effectively 'fubar' :-" (hammer) whereas a Western style saw will take a lot more abuse. I'd without doubt show them Japanese saws,chisels, planes etc and explain the differences and then let them have a go at the front bench (your one) under strict control as part of a demo...it would all add to the interest - Rob
 
Hi,

Make your own "japanese" saws from hacksaw blades and insulation tape :wink:

Pete
 
Ok, so I've made my choices and the tools are starting to arrive!

Budget constraints were such that I ended up going for a mixture or new and second hand stuff.

Chisels

Mathew at Workshop heaven did us a fantastic deal on some sets of Narex 8105 BE chisels. He also very kindly slipped some other odds and ends into the box unasked which will make a big difference to our still rather sparse workshop - thank you!

Planes

2 record and 2 Stanley no 4s, second hand. I spent a few hours fettling these up. It's always an eye opener working on old planes and finding how many that were clearly used for years had soles shaped like bananas, with irons completely un-flattened and unpolished on the back. I guess it's OK if you are doing rough work in softwoods which is probably what a lot of them were used for most of the time.

There were already two old block planes, which I fettled, and to which I added one Quangsheng low angle block - another great deal from Workshop Heaven!

Saws

I took Rob's advice and steered away from Japanese saws. I got 5 Benchcraft Tenon saws from Axminster. These are the same blades as their Victor range, with more basic handles and fittings. I've used the Victor saws for years and been happy with them, so this was an easy decision.

Measuring and Marking

Basic engineers squares, steel rules, & marking knives from Axminster. There were six squares in the workshop already - not one of them was accurate to closer than 2mm over its length....

End Vises

I've also found an answer to the problem of how to easily hold larger boards flat on benches with no end vise or dogs. Something I read about a long time ago and just remembered today - put a sash cramp in the front vise and hold the board with that. Works really well....

So now we have a useable workshop. Thanks for all the suggestions. Now comes the difficult bit!

Cheers

Marcus
 
woodbloke":1bt3bg4o said:
It's also important that they can achieve success early on and actually make something, pay for it (most important) and take it home to show mum and dad.

I would recommend NOT using early school text books. I've bought a few of these over the years (I always check the woodworking section of s/h bookshops). One might hope material from an era we hold as a golden age of handtools would be good.

But pretty much anything pre 1950 is horrible. There is a shedload of theory and extraneous, and depressing "make work" projects.

It's fairly clear the intent is to reduce the requirment for actual tools and materials to a minimum, presumably for reasons of cost. One of the books has an absolute rule that no timber is to be cut for any project until the pupil has prepared a full (multiple projections...) drawing of the project.

I've stopped buying these books!

BugBear
 
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