Hand Scribing Tenon Shoulders On A House Door Rail

[pollys13]

Using scribing gouges would I be able to scribe the tenon of a house door rail to match, mate with the moulding on the stile?
If the moulding profile has fillets, or a more elaborate shape rather than being plain quarter round, if these are the correct terms.
Would I be able to do this by hand and are there any resources, pointers available on how to do it?
See attached, I have carpentry and joinery book one but not by this author, the one I have hardly touches on scribed tenon shoulders nor do any of my books on joint making.
Cheers.

 

[PAC1]

I posted a link to an explanation in your previous post about scribing on the spindle scribing-tenons-t35930.html

 

[AndyT]

You need some older books, or new ones aimed at hand work. Charles Hayward "Woodwork Joints" is the best, in my opinion.

I can't help with modern joinery practice, but for pictures of a beginner scribing joints by hand on doors for the first time, you could have a look at my old thread here:

glazed-doors-mostly-by-hand-t39419.html

 

[pollys13]

You need some older books, or new ones aimed at hand work. Charles Hayward "Woodwork Joints" is the best, in my opinion.

I can't help with modern joinery practice, but for pictures of a beginner scribing joints by hand on doors for the first time, you could have a look at my old thread here:

glazed-doors-mostly-by-hand-t39419.html

I have Mr Haywoods book and will look at your thread,
Cheers.

 

[pollys13]

I posted a link to an explanation in your previous post about scribing on the spindle scribing-tenons-t35930.html

Oh yes, I saw and read that when you originally posted.
Cheers.

 

[pollys13]

You need some older books, or new ones aimed at hand work. Charles Hayward "Woodwork Joints" is the best, in my opinion.

I can't help with modern joinery practice, but for pictures of a beginner scribing joints by hand on doors for the first time, you could have a look at my old thread here:

glazed-doors-mostly-by-hand-t39419.html

Hi, looked at your thread, nice clean work but I don't think is what I'm looking for in this instance. I believe you have mitred the mouldings. Whereas I'm looking to see, if is possible to scribe over the full width of the tenon, by hand using, scribing gouges? to mate with the moulding. I note your wooden mitre template. When I Googled the other night I could only find Clifton ones or a brass Marples version. I think would be quite easy to make one up. I understand any shrinking with a mitred moulding, that might occur, the gap would be more noticeable than what might happen with a completely scribed shoulder. The projects I have in mind are a couple of external doors and some replacement windows for my semi.
Uum, I think I maybe back to considering a tenoning machine.
Have attached couple of screenshots that I hope clarifies the technique I'm looking to learn about.
Cheers,
Peter.

 

[ColeyS1]

If you're scribing by hand, you wouldn't scribe over the whole width of the tenon- that's pointless. Scribe over about 20mm then chop the rest out of the other piece of timber

Coley
Excuse p poor drawing.

 

[AndyT]

You need to choose hand or machine technique and stick to it.
For hand work, you first cut a mitre across the moulding with a chisel and a template. Then you cut down vertically using a scribing gouge (an incannel gouge). That's what I showed, but I omitted to make it clear that the tool in the second step was a gouge.

(If Ihad just been mitreing, I would have needed a mitre on the other piece.)


IIRC, there was a discussion at the time about whether to scribe rails or stiles, but that maybe got moved elsewhere.

It would be impractical to try and imitate machine scribing across the whole of the end. Your screen shots show machine work.

 

[pollys13]

If you're scribing by hand, you wouldn't scribe over the whole width of the tenon- that's pointless. Scribe over about 20mm then chop the rest out of the other piece of timber

Coley
Excuse p poor drawing.

OK cheers Coley and that would be fine for an exterior Utile door?

 

[pollys13]

You need to choose hand or machine technique and stick to it.
For hand work, you first cut a mitre across the moulding with a chisel and a template. Then you cut down vertically using a scribing gouge (an incannel gouge). That's what I showed, but I omitted to make it clear that the tool in the second step was a gouge.

(If Ihad just been mitreing, I would have needed a mitre on the other piece.)


IIRC, there was a discussion at the time about whether to scribe rails or stiles, but that maybe got moved elsewhere.

It would be impractical to try and imitate machine scribing across the whole of the end. Your screen shots show machine work.

Ah, ok, thanks.

 

[pollys13]

and some Titebond 3 waterproof exterior I should be OK

 

[ColeyS1]

If you're scribing by hand, you wouldn't scribe over the whole width of the tenon- that's pointless. Scribe over about 20mm then chop the rest out of the other piece of timber

Coley
Excuse p poor drawing.

OK cheers Coley and that would be fine for an exterior Utile door?

Yes, it'd be fine. You'd only scribe right the way through if you had a machine to do it for you.

Coley