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All this talk about torches is all very well but how do you keep them sharp?
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Doug B
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lurker":2t9nl7ky said:
Free hand obviously :?
RogerP
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On the best you can sharpen the focus with a twist but, of course, if you want ultimate sharpness - get a laser.lurker":4fu2mpqi said:
CHJ
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But you must Focus else you get divergence, and a none flat beam.Doug B":3bs811fd said:
Random Orbital Bob
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I've been in hospital most of the day with the Missus so missed all this. I'll just add ten-penneth which is this:
A very well known and slightly secret society (society with secrets to be strict about it) has a policy of no religion or politics being discussed at their gatherings. The reason is simple, both topics cause disharmony and argument. This is universally true. Because experienced adults know this, they implement similar policies in environments like this. Lest we forget, this is a wood working forum. The rules reflect (I believe) a reasonable balance between a total ban on political discussion and a modicum of allowable discourse because as someone pointed out, its sometimes relevant and maybe not so contentious. And of course it wont always be moderated with 100% congruity because guess what...moderators are also people...just like everyone else.
What really irks me isn't the actual sensible political points being made, its the pathetic little childish snipes that get thrown in by apparently grown men to deliberately inflame. I have to say, I just don't get that. It just reminds me of the thick kids in school that sat at the back of the class disrupting lessons because it was the only way they could get attention. I mean grow up for goodness sake.
A very well known and slightly secret society (society with secrets to be strict about it) has a policy of no religion or politics being discussed at their gatherings. The reason is simple, both topics cause disharmony and argument. This is universally true. Because experienced adults know this, they implement similar policies in environments like this. Lest we forget, this is a wood working forum. The rules reflect (I believe) a reasonable balance between a total ban on political discussion and a modicum of allowable discourse because as someone pointed out, its sometimes relevant and maybe not so contentious. And of course it wont always be moderated with 100% congruity because guess what...moderators are also people...just like everyone else.
What really irks me isn't the actual sensible political points being made, its the pathetic little childish snipes that get thrown in by apparently grown men to deliberately inflame. I have to say, I just don't get that. It just reminds me of the thick kids in school that sat at the back of the class disrupting lessons because it was the only way they could get attention. I mean grow up for goodness sake.
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Random Orbital Bob":3u52f9pk said:
NO, don't believe the machines........ they are Mod bots.......... if you ever meet one Never look them in the eye, they will melt your brain and turn you into a mumbling fool........... poor old Jacob got caught with a full on brain lock :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
bugbear
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Random Orbital Bob":2uvxbstc said:
Best wishes on that.
BugBear
SammyQ
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I'm with R.O.Bob. At times, when I go home from sparring with and subduing class 12V (so that the others can learn) I find their loud bias, entrenched attitudes and general loutishness mirrored here. Act your age, not your shoe size.
Sam
PS What Paul (BB) said.
Sam
PS What Paul (BB) said.
Alexam
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Glad you are staying. We should all stick together and enjoy the forum, but I have to agree that certain subjects should be left out and stick to woodworking matters, which are wide and varied.
Jacob
What goes around comes around.
There wasn't any loutishness in the thread at issue other than a few feeble wisecracks. It was an interesting discussion.SammyQ":13vh0iw9 said:
What worries me is the blanket ban on political chat which I seem to encounter everywhere, not just here. I think it's become a chronic weakness in the democratic process - particularly as people do seem to want talk about stuff.
Attitudes might not be so biassed or entrenched if people were able to act their age and kick ideas about a bit more.
But I don't run a chat group and I'm sure running one can be a PITA very often.
Random Orbital Bob
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bugbear":3ms4pr4u said:
Thanks BB...that's kind of you.
SammyQ
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Jacob, I'd be the first one to say I've never experienced loutishness from you. Robust opinions, steadfastly defended, almost to the point of Luddism, yes; poor behaviour in commenting on others personally, no. And no again, there wasn't any overt loutishness in this thread, but...
I have equally read some cringeworthy virtual graffiti here, some mercifully put down by mods, others scraping through with a veneer of addressing a woodworking issue.
Bob's right. We are all different, have different beliefs, mottos, preferences. To state and then defend one is fine. To haze, deride or"snipe" in an unconstructed, divisive and inflammatory fashion is beneath my dignity to engage with.
Sam
I have equally read some cringeworthy virtual graffiti here, some mercifully put down by mods, others scraping through with a veneer of addressing a woodworking issue.
Bob's right. We are all different, have different beliefs, mottos, preferences. To state and then defend one is fine. To haze, deride or"snipe" in an unconstructed, divisive and inflammatory fashion is beneath my dignity to engage with.
Sam
Random Orbital Bob
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I think part of the problem with this is that this forum is so successful in that it has a long and loyal following that its become more than just about wood. Its almost a virtual "pub" to many and it's in that place that they want to vent their spleens on whatever is eating them at the time.
Basically, its grown beyond it's original scope and on occasion has a bit of an identity crisis. Politics and religion are both areas of discourse which require a belief system to be "sold" in order to persuade since often there is no evidential information in the same way as there is with more scientific stuff. Of course there are stats and published data with politics so there is more information but you know what I mean.
I think fundamentally, conversation about wood is much more about a combination of physics and art whereas conversation about politics and religion are a universe apart and they just don't "gel" well in the same space
Basically, its grown beyond it's original scope and on occasion has a bit of an identity crisis. Politics and religion are both areas of discourse which require a belief system to be "sold" in order to persuade since often there is no evidential information in the same way as there is with more scientific stuff. Of course there are stats and published data with politics so there is more information but you know what I mean.
I think fundamentally, conversation about wood is much more about a combination of physics and art whereas conversation about politics and religion are a universe apart and they just don't "gel" well in the same space
Random Orbital Bob
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And in fact....now I'm thinking about it I would go further and say precisely what it is about politics and religion discussion that I personally don't like.
It's always a sales pitch! Precisely because the writer is always having to sell a belief system, the mode of discussion is always preaching. It is essentially a rhetorical mode of discourse. I find that language tiresome, often rather insulting to my intelligence or patronising and I come here (and go in the shed) largely to get away from that. Its on the radio, the tele and in the papers everywhere you turn. I only have to move 3 feet in any direction to get a gut full of it....so I guess I resent it "polluting" this place that in my mind is a sort of nirvana of craft and skilled endeavour. It sort of has no place here I guess is what I'm saying. Of course it's relevant in day to day life, just not here.
It's always a sales pitch! Precisely because the writer is always having to sell a belief system, the mode of discussion is always preaching. It is essentially a rhetorical mode of discourse. I find that language tiresome, often rather insulting to my intelligence or patronising and I come here (and go in the shed) largely to get away from that. Its on the radio, the tele and in the papers everywhere you turn. I only have to move 3 feet in any direction to get a gut full of it....so I guess I resent it "polluting" this place that in my mind is a sort of nirvana of craft and skilled endeavour. It sort of has no place here I guess is what I'm saying. Of course it's relevant in day to day life, just not here.
Phil Pascoe
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So surely it boils down to not reading threads that don't interest you? No one forces us to read anything. (Obviously as a mod you might have to - but that's your choice). There are threads here that don't interest me a jot - I don't read them.
bugbear
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phil.p":1v6s043c said:
If two (or more...) people start to hate (etc) each other because of deep political or religious disagreements on a thread I haven't read, the hatred does rather tend to spill over to any other discussion the two (or more...) people are involved in.
BugBear
Phil Pascoe
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Point taken. No names, no pack drill.
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I have always tried not to be insulting or overly zealous in my posts , as this way lies contention, an unnessesary element. However , I am also very strongly in favour of freedom of speech. These are not mutually exclusive if one more philosophical component is added. I believe that for offence to be given , it must also be accepted. I simply refuse to be offended. This has never come up on this forum for me. But stop in on an anime forum to see the untethered and borderline phsycotic arguments that form over inconsequential differences of opinion. I find this forum the most civilised of enviroments. And for that I am always thankful. So to all the moderators and contributers, thanks.
John15
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I think that if the rules were relaxed then it could be open house for insults and rudeness etc, and as a result the forum could lose a number of its members.
John
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