global warming again

[jlawrence]

The biggest users are the masses - the simple fact that there are a lot more of them means that collectively they use a lot more.
Whoever thought of calling it 'global warming' should be shot. If everyone just referred to 'climate change' then there wouldn't be half the arguments going on that there are.

 

[Smudger]

I do like the idea that "I know I need to do this, but until that bloke who's got a bigger car than me does it I won't. Even though I know I should, and it will hurt me more than it hurts him if I don't. Oh, and stuff your grandchildren, I'll be dead."

Classic.

 

[Dibs-h]

hidden agenda again

There are people who are running around with Rolls Royces using 5 times more fuel than me, and they are still building this and other motor vehicles with similar fuel consumption, so why should I do less mileage.

There are others who have and are having 7 bedroom properties constructed and only two people in residence, so the cost of building and running of such properties still is continuing and they are using more than their fair share of fuels. So why should I worry about heating a two bedroom property and conserving energy.

Those high users will continue to have heavy consumption as will other nations and also up and coming industralised countries.

I dont think those people above will stop or reduce their consumption unless legislation is forced upon them, and it doesn't normally happen to that genre.

That is my meaning of hidden agenda.
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Yeah but those 7 bedroom houses are being paid for - to be constructed and run. Same for the Roller - it's not like those people are being issued with coupons and have some sort of fill her up as many times as you want arrangement. As for petrol\diesel - most of the cost is duty, so the cost to them per mile is massively more than someone with a Ford Ka.

The whole point of a free society and a market economy is that these sort of things can and do exist. Whilst I may not agree with some aspects - they have the right to do it.

What about the tradesmen who make their living building these houses and the trickle of money down to others for various things.

We'd be having the same sort of arguments if some folk were riding donkeys and some horses - i.e. horses eat more, dung more, ban 'em.

 

[devonwoody]

Yeah but if horses eat more they should be shot, there will not be enough food left for the sheep.

And if there isnt enough work to go round because there are no rich people left you will benefit, you will have more time for your woodwork (using handtools)

 

[Dibs-h]

Yeah but if horses eat more they should be shot, there will not be enough food left for the sheep.

And if there isnt enough work to go round because there are no rich people left you will benefit, you will have more time for your woodwork (using handtools)

But only in the daytime as we don't 'ave enough pennies for any candles!

 

[devonwoody]

Dibs, I have just returned from running the misses down to the doctors and whilst waiting to run her back home, its suddenly come to me;-

A rich man having is 7 bedroom house does not create more work for you, you could build 3 to 4 two bedroom homes (he can still have one of those) and 2 to 3 other couples would also benefit with getting a new home.
So that old myth of rich people are necessary is another example of what I call that "hidden agenda".

global warming problem created with above suggestion of course.

 

[MikeG.]

global warming problem created with above suggestion of course.

I hate to sound too rude, but some of your postings are utterly incomprehensible.

Mike

 

[big soft moose]

A rich man having is 7 bedroom house does not create more work for you, you could build 3 to 4 two bedroom homes (he can still have one of those) and 2 to 3 other couples would also benefit with getting a new home.
So that old myth of rich people are necessary is another example of what I call that "hidden agenda".

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but without the rich people putting money into companies - and paying taxes etc the other people wont have jobs and thus won't benefit in anyway whatsoever.

its academic anyway in a free society there will always be rich and poor - and even in a less than free society like the old ussr you still have people who have and those that have not.

none of which has anything to do with global warming/ anthropogenic cimate change.

 

[Dibs-h]

Dibs, I have just returned from running the misses down to the doctors and whilst waiting to run her back home, its suddenly come to me;-

A rich man having is 7 bedroom house does not create more work for you, you could build 3 to 4 two bedroom homes (he can still have one of those) and 2 to 3 other couples would also benefit with getting a new home.
So that old myth of rich people are necessary is another example of what I call that "hidden agenda".

global warming problem created with above suggestion of course.

I disagree. The 7 bed room house will be very well spec'ed as opposed to the tight ar5e spec on a 2 bed (usually). The grounds will be larger. The higher spec will generate work for folk who will make\fit these items, decorators who will be paid well to do up the place, etc. The list does go on.

Not only at build time, but over the yrs with maintenance.

At the end it's a free market economy - whilst I may find it a tad odd for a "rich" man to be living in a 7 bed house, I'll be damned before I go get my Chairman Mao suited fitted and collect my bicycle, etc.

If people can't have better, bigger things than others - WTF is the incentive to go out there and excel? Next it will be everyone has to eat\drink the same and because most won't or can't afford the more expensive things - "lets ban the more expensive (and ususally better) things!"

There is no myth - there are plenty of folk who may well be "deemed" rich by others, who incidentally can't be ar5ed getting off their fat ar5ses to work, or who are lifers in the public sector. But what isn't obvious is the sheer amount of graft they have done to get where they are or were actually from a pineapple poor background and got to where they are by hard work, blood, sweat & tears!

Not everyone who drives past in a "fat" car was born with a spoon up their ar5e!

 

[jlawrence]

And why do people demand that those who earn more pay horrendous amounts of tax. Bigger incomes generally go hand in hand with bigger levels of debt - not necessarily more money to spend. Most of those earning 100->500K a year worked bloody hard to get there (often at the expense of family life etc etc) they didn't do it to subsidise the lazy t**ts who like to sit on their a4ses and do nowt.

Oh, and you'll probably find that the big 7 bed houses are a shed load more efficient that the poxy 2 bed. People buying 7 bed houses expect good insulation etc etc not that they are expected to add it in afterwards.

 

[devonwoody]

Rich people dont pay tax, only the poor and those trying to get rich. :wink:

Me I retired at 32 and decided not to get any richer and have caused less global warming than some.

 

[MikeG.]

or who are lifers in the public sector.

Dibs,

I was with you for every word you wrote.........except those few I've quoted here. I have to say that some of the unsung heroes of our society are "lifers in the public sector" such as teachers and nurses and the like, and I would hate to think that your strong words were diluted by a phrase that you might have wished to adjust.

Mike

 

[jlawrence]

I think I read dib's comment the way it was intended. There are - or used to be, perhaps not so many nowadays - many people working in the public sector who basically did nowt other than turn up in a morning and go home in the evening. I tend not to think of teachers, nurses etc as public sector workers.

DW, I like the idea of retiring at 32 so as to have less effect on global climate change - unfortunately I'm already past that age. I did give up fulltime work at 33 though to become a house husband - does that count - though it's offset by driving a bloody big 4x4 :lol:

 

[MikeG.]

Rich people dont pay tax, only the poor and those trying to get rich. :wink:

Me I retired at 32 and decided not to get any richer and have caused less global warming than some.

Rich people do pay tax.

Now, are you seriously telling us that you gave up on work at 32 and yet are jealous of people who didn't, and who have made a financial success of their lives? Are you really saying that people who work until they drop, whose efforts allow others the opportunity to withdraw from work, shouldn't be allowed to benefit just a little themselves?

Really, Devonwoody, you shouldn't have ignored my earlier advice. Have a little rethink now.

You just seem to be anti everything. One big lesson I learned early in adulthood is this: "Surround yourself with positive people". The other sort just suck the life out of you.

Mike

 

[Jake]

I think DW is having one of his trollish moments - sometimes he seems to get the urge for oddball windups.

 

[MikeG.]

My next post, Jake, was going to be "Don't feed the trolls", but I thought I would vent my spleen first!

Mike

Interesting phrase.........to vent the spleen..........I wonder where that came from?

 

[big soft moose]

I think I read dib's comment the way it was intended. There are - or used to be, perhaps not so many nowadays - many people working in the public sector who basically did nowt other than turn up in a morning and go home in the evening. I tend not to think of teachers, nurses etc as public sector workers.

As a public sector worker i really ought to take exception to that - but as a reasonable guy i'm not going to as i do see what you mean - I and most of my colleagues work our butts off delivering an essential service for comparatively little pay - however there are public sector workers who appear to do nothing but pass paper to each other and achieve very little.

Mind you having also worked in the private sector I can say without doubt that there are also people here who get paid for sitting on their fundament and doing nothing useful.

Bottom line on that is regardless of which sector people work in some are hard working and concientious , and some are lazy morons such is the huiman condition

 

[big soft moose]

Interesting phrase.........to vent the spleen..........I wonder where that came from?

from wiki

When you are removing the innards of a chicken (or larger animal) if you accidentally burst the spleen the bitter secretions inside it will spill out onto part of the carcase and spoil any meat it touches.
For many thousands of years people thought that animals (and people) kept their bad temper in their spleen - so when your bad temper comes out (in a tantrum for example) and spoils things, you vent your spleen.

 

[MikeG.]

Wunderbar! Where would we be without Wiki? Many thanks.

Mike

 

[Smudger]

Same with rabbits. As told to me by my mother.