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Jason Pettitt":hvxokmxm said:
From childhood right up until my late teens I was convinced I had a remote 'sense' of when people (and granny's pet dog) died because I'd get a strange feeling (no, not guilt) that seemed to coincide with deaths that I'd hear about later.

Curious you should say that as I had the same thing? I 'thought' I knew when someone was going to die. Later I became convinced I knew 'exactly' what someone was going to say. And I was often right??
It bothered me so much I went and saw my Doctor, she gave some very plausible explanations for both.
 
No Jason! We moved here in 1990 and the events did not start till some years later and continued for some years then ceased just as suddenly, I hope at least.
They started with me and then were witnessed by others, both singly and in groups, over a period of about three years.
Nobody else in the village reported anything unusual, which would seem to eliminate wide spread forces.

Roy.
 
Mmm...several people, myself included, have heard some of the machines in the gym being used ...when we've been the only people there. Sure there is a rational explanation.
 
I saw a programme on Sky t'other evening on the supposedly ghostly inhabitants of Alcatraz. Two separate teams went in one night with heap of high tech gear and then compared notes at the end of the night.

One thing that I particularly remember is that one of the investigators in a particular part of the prison, was 'aware' of something close by and he asked the 'spirit'...or whatever to drop the ambient temperature by 10deg. The guy was holding at arms length a digital thermometer which the camera focused on and immediately afterwards, in the space of about 2mins, the temp was recorded as dropping approx 10deg. The camera filmed it all the time and you could actually see the drop in the temp.

Personally, I'm not sure about ghosty stuff, but there's enough serious work being done at the moment for me to keep and open mind - Rob
 
Now i don't want to scare people off by coming to the Brum bash later on,but my garage/workshop as always had an odd feeling to it.
Even when my old mate Raffles used to come down he would some days have a good look and sniff before he would enter.
He would also walk round and stop cower down and run out if the door was open.
But the strangest thing that happened was when i was at the lathe marking the centres using my bradawl.
After i had finished marking and started on the lathe there was a big bang on the garage door behind me which is about 16 foot away.
I stopped and looked behind me and saw that the bradawl i had been using,just minutes before was lying by the door,so presume it was that that hit the door,and with some force. :?
I have also had my hair tugged from behind while working on the lathe,expecting to see someone their,but there wasn't :?
Plus there have been other things happen.Very strange.
 
Sorry Rob, but most things on 'done for TV' programmes I tend to be extremely sceptical about. Very easy to blow cold air from offscreen across the thermometer, or record a segment but show it as live and so on. Very rarely are these programmes of scientific integrity under repeatable or controlled conditions. Now you can argue that paranormal phenomena by their very nature are not amenable to controlled conditions and repeat measures, being as they are infrequent and rarely identical. But there are steps that can be taken to eliminate external influences and obvious sources of effect before concluding that the only explanation has to be paranormal.

The real problem with paranormal activity, as with religion and anything else open to suggestion rather than evidence, is that its impossible to prove a negative. We cannot prove ghosts do NOT exist, only that they do. We cannot prove God does not exist, nor little green men, leprechauns and the bogeyman. We can assign a probability to the liklihood of these phenomena, and conclude that on the balance of probability there is no tooth fairy and so on, but we cannot prove there is no tooth fairy. The fact nobody has proved ghosts exist is actually surprising given the number of attempts made at doing just that. Very happy to agree to the statement that there are unexplained phenomena, less happy to say that anything unexplained has to have a paranormal origin.

Steve
 
When we first bought our house 20 years ago, I lived there for a while getting it into shape for SWMBO. No-one around for nearly a mile. No neighbours. Just me. I took a sleeping bag with me and a plastic sheet to protect it from the dusty floor. The first night I popped down to the local for some grub and a few pints. Got home, undressed, lights off and into the sleeping bag.

About a minute later I heard this sliding noise. Rats, I wondered? I slapped my palm down hard on the floor. The noise stopped.

About a minute later, it started again. I slapped my palm down hard on the floor again. Maybe not rats? Maybe something else? I felt a 'presence'. The noise stopped.

I lay there in the dark, heart pounding. Then the noise started up again. This time I slowly rearranged myself at the top of the sleeping bag, like a coiled spring, so that I could leap to the light switch in one go. I leapt and turned on the light.

No rats. Instead, a large air bubble trapped underneath the plastic sheet was slowly edging its' way along the floor, its' weight periodically overcoming friction and sliding to make my noise.
 
StevieB":2jrnmvsb said:
Very happy to agree to the statement that there are unexplained phenomena, less happy to say that anything unexplained has to have a paranormal origin.

Steve

I think that's where I stand as well.
I was totally taken in by Derren Brown when I first saw one of his shows, gosh.. I even got all emotional... sniff.
Then when I saw the explanation at the end of the show I was angry but very impressed. I also felt a bit of a ***.
 
StevieB":38hojnno said:
Very easy to blow cold air from offscreen across the thermometer, or record a segment but show it as live and so on.
Steve

Hadn't considered that aspect, quite effective though, but as you say, probably a con - Rob
 
Rosenheim, Germany (1967)
Main article: Rosenheim Poltergeist

Dr. Friedbert Karger was one of two physicists from the Max Planck Institute who helped to investigate perhaps the most validated poltergeist case in recorded history. Annemarie Schneider, a 19-year-old secretary in a law firm in Rosenheim (a town in southern Germany) was seemingly the unwitting cause of much chaos in the firm, including disruption of electricity and telephone lines, the rotation of a picture, swinging lamps which were captured on video (which was one of the first times any poltergeist activity has been captured on film), and strange sounds that sounded electrical in origin were recorded. Fraud was not proven despite intensive investigation by the physicists, journalists, and the police. The effects moved with the young woman when she changed jobs until they finally faded out, disappeared, and never recurred.

In the Rosenheim case of 1967, [7] The Rosenheim Poltergeist (1967),[8][9][10] Friedbert Karger's whole perspective on physics changed after investigating the events. "These experiments were really a challenge to physics," Karger says today. "What we saw in the Rosenheim case could be 100 per cent shown not to be explainable by known physics."[11] The phenomena were witnessed by Hans Bender, the police force, the CID, reporters, and the physicists. The case was made into a documentary by the BBC in 1975 as part of a TV series called "Leap in the Dark.

Anyone remember it?

Roy.
 
Very happy to agree to the statement that there are unexplained phenomena, less happy to say that anything unexplained has to have a paranormal origin.

Ditto.

Roy.
 
studders":15811ae7 said:
I think that's where I stand as well.
I was totally taken in by Derren Brown when I first saw one of his shows, gosh.. I even got all emotional... sniff.
Then when I saw the explanation at the end of the show I was angry but very impressed. I also felt a bit of a ***.

That was nice of your wife... :D :D :D :wink:
 
We were at a 'Paranormal' show, I told them both(the Man and Wife, not the ****)that it wasn't me, it must have been a Ghost. I think they believed me. :?
 
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