Getting qualified for Part P

[RogerS]

Has anyone looked into what courses/training etc are needed for someone (ie me) who wants to install their own electrics and refit a kitchen,under Part P, in my own property that I am doing up to resell ?

Many thanks

Roger

 

[davy_owen_88]

I think I just responded to your post over at DIYnot, but your post here makes things more clear.

Just notify your BCO and get the work inspected. Unless you fit kitchens/bathrooms etc as a trade and need to self-certify on a regular basis the expense of going down the self-certification scheme route is going to be very expensive and would be a complete waste.

If you still wish to go ahead with self-certification then have a look here.

You need a major and minor job to be inspected and you need to perform a full range of tests which requires about £700 of test equipmen. You also need £2 million public liability insurance.

 

[RogerS]

Hi Davy

Not me (t'other site) but thanks for the info. Didn't realise that was an option and it makes eminent sense. All I need now is to dust off the latest reg's

 

[davy_owen_88]

If you need any help/advice just send me an email/PM and I'll see what I can do.

The notification route will be the most cost effective for a one-off set of electrical tasks, and if you are doing other notifiable work around the house the electrics will come under the one fee.

 

[OLD]

This may help :-https://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8118&highlight=

 

[RogerS]

Thanks everyone for the suggestions.

I reckon that I'll go down the full blown route if possible. If I'm lucky and get the cottage then that will be project no. 1 for assessment.

Roger

 

[RogerS]

I more thought. Do I have to invest in test equipment and if so, what and how much is it likely to cost?

 

[devonwoody]

Wouldn't it be nice if Roger lived in Devon, think of all the business we could give him to inspect and pass our electric installations. :wink:

 

[RogerS]

Wouldn't it be nice if Roger lived in Devon, think of all the business we could give him to inspect and pass our electric installations. :wink:

Well I could always make it a long weekend away

 

[Scrit]

I more thought. Do I have to invest in test equipment and if so, what and how much is it likely to cost?

Yes, you'll need a tester such as a Megger and it will run you around £700. There are cheaper alternatives around, but it's very much a case of you get what you pay for, I'm told. For training/certification have you looked at the NAPIT site?

Scrit

 

[davy_owen_88]

A good multi-function tester will set you back anywhere between £400 to £800. Not to mention the PL insurance you need before they will accept you and the cost of the course which isn't cheap. As Scrit says, you really do get what you pay for. Have a look here. Anything by Megger or Fluke will be a good buy.

As I said previously, unless you intend on doing lots of electrical work, it really won't be worth registering - you'd be better of notifying your BCO along with any other work you are doing on the house as it all comes under one fee.

 

[DavidE]

Hi there,

I recently bought a Fluke tester from here.

http://www.pat-services.co.uk/?prodidsingle=198

I think their prices are very good and it arrived quickly. I am a time served industrial electrician and bought this for work on an installation not covered by Part P at the moment (as it isn't a dwelling). I will also be using it on my house when I re-wire. I have no intention of registering and will just go down the notification route as it is far more economical.

The other thing to consider is when you write out Electrical Installation certificates you will need to need to be a competent person in the view of B7671 (the wiring regs) So any training you did to get to self certification would also probably need to ensure you cover the design side (ie as a minimum the C&G 16th Edition course and the Inspection and Testing). Though I think next Spring the 17th Edition comes out all being well which would require you to take the first course I mention again.

Cheers
David

 

[RogerS]

The other thing to consider is when you write out Electrical Installation certificates you will need to need to be a competent person in the view of B7671 (the wiring regs) So any training you did to get to self certification would also probably need to ensure you cover the design side (ie as a minimum the C&G 16th Edition course and the Inspection and Testing). Though I think next Spring the 17th Edition comes out all being well which would require you to take the first course I mention again.

Cheers
David

David...are you saying that the NAPIT course is not sufficient in itself? I'm a bit confused with reference to the design side and how that applies to Self Certification.

 

[davy_owen_88]

I'm not sure on the NAPIT courses, but the DISQ course from NIC is sufficient for assessment, but they insist that the main person (can't remember what their term for that person is) sits the C&G 2381 course within 1 year of being accepted (obviously assuming they pass the assessment)

Unfortunately NIC have recently updated their website and have deleted the majority of the useful info they once had available, it's probably best to give their training centre a ring to find out where you stand.

 

[DavidE]

Hi Roger,

I'm a bit unsure like Davy about the exact detail of getting registration. The C&G 2381 assessment is the one I mentioned about the wiring regs.

My point was irrespective of Part P you need to make an Electrical Installation Certificate (or Minor Installation Works certificate) for any installation (As Appendix 6 of the Regs). On these someone needs to take responsibility for the design, construction and inspection and testing. The regulations take the view that the person signing for these elements should be competent.

Therefore, you need to ensure you have a defendable position of your competency. Another cost is a copy of the regs which is around £70+. With the regs in your possession and a number of courses to cover those aspects you would be probably okay. To cover the construction side fully ideally you could do with an NVQ or experience in this field. A copy of the on site guide would be useful too - these make the regs more practical and if you use their standard circuits you have a defendable position as you used their designs.

Cheers
David

 

[Scrit]

Incidentally, what do you guys pay for the periodic relcalibration of your testers?

Scrit

 

[DavidE]

Hi Scrit,

I've not had to get mine done yet - I reckon about £25-£50 a year for it.

Thanks, David

 

[davy_owen_88]

For the Fluke 1652 it's £72 from Martindale. You can make up a simple board to cross reference your results monthly or you can cross reference between another tester, as soon as the results start drifting it's time for calibration.