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Steve Maskery

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So there I was, minding my own business.
I can't believe I started a sentence with So.

Firefox upgraded itself overnight. Now everything is different, nothing is in the same place, nothing looks the same. It is "improved", apparently.
But now I cannot play anything on Youtube, not even my own stuff, never mind anyone else's. I just get the Waiting Wheel.

Does any one have any idea about what is going on? Because I don't and I don't like it.

Many thanks if you can help.
S
PS I'm on a Mac.
 
Steve, I feel your pain!

I think it has also borked NoScript (if you use that) I keep getting a broken pop-up, warning of a cross-site scripting "funny", on sites (such as this one) where it shouldn't appear. Disabling NoScript, I hope temporarily, seemed to fix quite a lot at the same time. You have to go to tools --> add-ons (I think - writing this on Android!), then disable NoScript.

I use both FF and Chrome (Google) for work, both on Linux desktop(s) and other code-tweaked "proprietary" browsers on Android. Chrome is oftn slightly faster, but it "phones home" a lot about my browsing activity and has an inelegant, crude and unhelpful approach to storing site access credentials. I prefer FF by a long way, although its own new GUI is poor on both desktop and mobile devices.

So do as Mr. Pike advises above: turn off the add-ons, and turn them back on one-at-a-time, to see which one, if any causes things to break.

Awkwardly, you might even find that enabling them in a different order would make a difference, too. So do one at a time and then try the browser for a bit before moving on to the next one (the earlier code needs to actually initialize/run to see if there's a precedence-based issue, so do't turn on two at once). Note that I can't think of a reason why this might happen, but it's not unheard of, and as you know from your background, the number of "states" that are possible (for the software to get itself into) increases exponentially(literally) with the number of possible interactions, so it's quite possible a state on your machine simply wasn't tested. This is very unlikely nowadays though, as testing has become highly automated.

Aside: I really wish developers would realise how badly wrong Apple got the iOs GUI and not keep trying to copy it. There are basic human factors mistakes in it that make it extremely hard for those unfamiliar with it to pick it up, for example not having visual cues clearly distinguishing controls from label text and simple chrome. People (younger ones in particular) learn it, by trial-and-error experimentation, but it is not intuitive. Given how much money Apple puts into "design" they should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves for such a poor outcome, and the fact that both Google and Mozilla* have basically aped them in their own GUIs is very depressing: "Let's do this really stupid thing because our competitors are doing it." I was shocked by my first "smart" phone's poor interface, my inablity to customize it and the dreadful lack of proper documentation, and they have got far worse over recent years - more like jewellry than functional tools.

My 90-year-old mum struggles with a big, clear iPad, simply because its GUI is, frankly, stupid. How she's going to cope with the new Firefox I have no idea, and I'm not at all keen to try to help her with it, because I have no simple explanations for what Mozilla have done, apart from, "Sorry, I know it's dreadful, but...".

But then people buy jeans with deliberately made holes in them and worn fabric. I've got an idea: Let's swap all our vehicle wheels for hexagonal ones because they're new (and therefore much smarter).

E.

(currently in the middle of dumbing-down the content of a company web site so that it "works" on mobile devices, and trying to stop junior staff from "correcting" English syntax because they believe it's wrong).

*I almost wrote Mosaic. That's Freudian, as their GUI/chrome was a great deal more accessible.
 
Thank you gentlemen.
It was NoScript. I shouldn't be surprised, it was giving me a pop-up window on almost every page, very annoying indeed.
 
The other thing that has happened is that the text on sites such as this one is now tiny. I can alter that in Preferences, but then when it prints out, the text is massive. So for example I am currently doing today's crossword, it is too small on the screen, but uses two pages if I print it out. It used to fit nicely on one page.

Why do they do this?
 
In Preferences there is some font limited control. Preferences, fonts & Colors, then click on the Advanced button, to get this:
fonts-colours.png

It's not perfect.

Using Print Preview, ought to let you see the effect of that (if the web site sent that code). The only other alternative is to get it the way you want it on-screen and then simply grab the screen as a bundle of pixels (i.e screen grab either the whole screen or a smaller area).

If you want more sophistication, or more detailed control, there used to be CSS files for Firefox's chrome (the applications look& feel). They will reside in the program directory, and/or have override files in one of your user directories (sorry, have protective amnesia surrounding how Windows does this!). For a quiet life, make backups of any file you alter, and do the user directory thing if at all possible (as that's the way you are supposed to use this feature).

My CSS is a bit rusty (this is stuff I never normally use), but you certainly used to be able to use "media" selectors to cause pages to be rendered differently for printing. You should be able to roll your own screen and print overrides, and maybe even have Firefox use specific fonts for printing your crosswords if you choose (but that requires the Daily Torygraph to be consistent in how it presents them, and how it marks them up for styling - you don't control this and it may be impossible).

That capability isy there for accessibility support (i.e. for people who have disability): you can override the page's CSS, and theoretically even control what within a page you see and in which rural accent it is read to you by a text-to-speech reader!).

HTH,

E.
 

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Morning Steve

Menu - Options - scroll down and disable automatic updates.

Should stop it happening again.

There might be something here to sort out the text size problem

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/ch ... nging-font

If you scroll down to section 4 there is a box marked 'Allow pages to choose their own fonts' . It's checked on my machine and I don't have any problems with print sizes.

Edit - My post crossed with Eric 's

Have you seen the 'new and improved' bookmarking yet? Good luck.

Cheers

Dave
 
MrTeroo":15fje071 said:
Not a good idea to disable automatic updates.

There are several options for updates

Automatic - does what it thinks best without you neccesarily knowing.

Tell me when updates are available - puts you in charge. At least you know what's going on and can take any precautions you want. I once fell foul of a Microsoft system update which caused me all sorts of problems. It turned out that the update was full of bugs. I now leave updates for a day or so to let someone else do the testing.

Disable updates - not recommended by FF ( or me )

As far as the NHS goes, weren't they still using Windows XP on the compromised machines?
I think that by the time it all went pear shaped , Microsoft had long since stopped supporting it.

Cheers

Dave
 
So if you get a message telling you an update is available, would a normal computer user be any wiser regarding the unwanted effects it might have?

Your advice was to scroll down and disable automatic updates, my comment was relating to that.
Updates of any kind are always fraught with risks, but disabling them isn't a long term solution.
 
toolsntat":1137jnmh said:
Gits have pruned down my saved bookmarks by 75%ish :evil:

Morning Andy

They are probably still there, but FF have decided that you would like to have them moved .

If you open the bookmarks menu, there is an option at the bottom to 'Show all bookmarks' . It's not hidden, but it took me a while to spot it. Click that (or Ctrl + Shift + B) and the entire bookmarks menu appears on the left of the pop-up screen.

Cheers

Dave
 
MrTeroo":2v0sit1o said:
So if you get a message telling you an update is available, would a normal computer user be any wiser regarding the unwanted effects it might have?

Your advice was to scroll down and disable automatic updates, my comment was relating to that.
Updates of any kind are always fraught with risks, but disabling them isn't a long term solution.

No but you will be aware of the update and you can do whatever backing up you think necessary before you install it.

Disabling automatic updates is not the same as disabling all updates. I recommended the former.

My point about the NHS was that there were no longer any updates available to install. I think that Microsoft had long since stopped supporting XP, leaving it vulnerable. It is sixteen years old. I don't know anyone who uses XP to connect to the internet.

Cheers

Dave
 
Yes, I know you recommended disabling automatic updates not all updates, still not a good idea though.

If you are computer savvy then being prompted before an update is fine, but most people are not computer savvy.

Turning off automatic updates is not good practice for most computer users.

Sorry, but I had to counter that part of your advice because I feel it is bad advice for most people.

Anyone who disagrees will most likely be proficient enough on a computer to override automatic updates and monitor all software updates for themselves.

But that is not the majority of computer users.

I think there were still premium paid for update plans for XP available at the time, weren't there?

NHS just wouldn't pay?
 
Glad to see someone else thinks it's wrong to start sentences with "So" .I think it's a southern thing Steve.I can't comment on your YouTube problem,sorry I haven't a clue what you're on about but good luck with it anyway.Happy Christmas.
 
I get on OK with the new Firefox on Linux. Some things have wandered around without good reason, but it is quicker.
 
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