Far infra-red heating panels and battery storage

[Eshmiel]

Because that is a very illogical argument. There is no possible opportunity to 'get your money back' with any of those items. But there is with reduced electricity bills over time.

In your New Statesman article, the author Jan Rosenow is hardly unbiased.

BUT PLEASE. If you want to have a debate whatever about all things wonderful and your private hobbyhorse then start your own thread and don't derail mine, thank you.

How is it "logical" to arbitrarily nominate energy supply tech as in need of a purely financial cost benefit analysis when such an analysis is never considered for several other large-cost life-enhancing or supporting technologies such as cars , holidays, woodworking tools and so forth? The fact that one can recover capital outlay in terms of energy costs saved is surely a great advantage not offered by many other purchases of life-enhancing techs. +1 for solar, batteries et al.

How is providing the wider picture and alternatives to your question "derailing your thread"? No derailment; and its not "your thread" but a public forum to which all may contribute.

I realise that you may find some of the stuff I posted uncomfortable - but that's life, reality, facts etc.. Rather than try to ignore that, why not respond to the points made? I'm hoping that you'll find a better answer than infra red panels to your issue ..... because there are much better answers.

Use of "green" tech is hardly my "private hobbyhorse". It may be central to our very survival as a species, impinging on just about every aspect of future human (and other) life on the planet.

 

[woodieallen]

Best I stick you on Ignore.

 

[Lons]

Eshmiel

It's difficult to see what motivated you to start an argument when the only person you're lecturing is yourself. Are so isolated up there in the Hebrides that you only have yourself to talk to.
None of the previous posts gave you anything to make you climb on to your high horse. There are plenty of threads on the subject where you can get your jollies without hacking into one that isn't appropriate.

 

[HOJ]

My only experience with infra red panels is with my neighbour, he fitted them in his separated building/office, he lasted a day, couldn't keep warm enough to work.

Also running cables could be problematic, if trying to conceal them, ceilings and internal stud walls may well be lath and lime plaster, exterior walls, solid brick with lime plaster/render, floors just laid on sand with no DPC, difficult to route cables in ceiling void and getting through any joists without lots of localised damage.

 

[Eshmiel]

Eshmiel

It's difficult to see what motivated you to start an argument when the only person you're lecturing is yourself. Are so isolated up there in the Hebrides that you only have yourself to talk to.
None of the previous posts gave you anything to make you climb on to your high horse. There are plenty of threads on the subject where you can get your jollies without hacking into one that isn't appropriate.

What "argument"? - The OP asked about his heating problems, "What to do". Is it riding a high horse to suggest eminently practical and cost-saving solutions, including personal examples of what can be done and how much it'll save?

Perhaps you are a wood burner, though, and feel annoyed at my mentioning the deleterious effects? Still, there seem to be moves to ban it in many areas (as coal burning was banned some decades ago).

But I'll leave this thread now since some appear to prefer lah lah lah to answers that might help, based on experience rather than oilygasser industry PR pooh-poohing a rather better alternative technological solution to their stuff.