EV owners - Car Tax

[Ollie78]

It never did make sense to me that EV`s got cheaper tax, they are heavy and damage the roads just as much as anyone else. They already avoid fuel duty.
It is just the government trying to force everyone to buy ne EV`s which they decided to encourage in the belief it will clean up the planet somehow.
Many of the components and materials being shipped all over the world and made in China where they use masses of coal. It makes no sense.
Sure there might be a bit less emmissions in central Bath and London but I doubt it will cut global emissions at all.

 

[johnb80]

It never did make sense to me that EV`s got cheaper tax, they are heavy and damage the roads just as much as anyone else. They already avoid fuel duty.

Road Tax is emissions based hence why a Range Rover pays more than a Fiat 500. EV's are zero emissions and therefore should be exempt from road tax with the system we have. I personally feel road tax should be based on miles and weight to make it fair to all users. Drive more miles = Pay more tax, heavy car also pays more tax.

It is just the government trying to force everyone to buy ne EV`s which they decided to encourage in the belief it will clean up the planet somehow.

There is absolutely no doubt it will clean up the planet. Emissions from burning oil are huge.

Many of the components and materials being shipped all over the world and made in China where they use masses of coal. It makes no sense.

This is true for all vehicles, a lot is produced in China, not just EV related.

Consider the gas supply for UK, we bring in gas from Australlia, USA and other places by ship, we import directly from Norway via pipeline. Here in Gainsborough were sat on a massive gas find that this government wont licence to be extracted due to their green policies How does that make sense? Why not extract what we have and cancel the shipping and importing of gas?

Sure there might be a bit less emmissions in central Bath and London but I doubt it will cut global emissions at all.

Have a look at this and see if it gives a more favourable outlook.

 

[hlvd]

Nope, not at all, it sure aint crap as the worlds press will affirm.


Like the small amount of lithium from the countries with not the best record for children in mines?


No problem at all


Nope, I just snigger every time I see the cost of a litre of fuel and you lot getting mugged at the pumps

The problem with EV cars isn’t the technology—it’s the owners. Many of them seem to treat it like a personality trait, much like some vegans, where it becomes the only thing they talk about.

 

[Beau]

Armchair critics know better than the experts at the scene.

To be fair if people read the likes of Telegraph they will genuinely think these things are true. They pump out endless anti renewables stories and when they are forced to do a retraction it's buried away and weeks later so no one notices it.

It's a shame trying to get a lower carbon world has to be such a battle but fossil fuel companies profits are on the line so they fight tooth and nail to slow it down

 

[Beau]

The problem with EV cars isn’t the technology

Agreed

 

[johnb80]

The problem with EV cars isn’t the technology—it’s the owners. Many of them seem to treat it like a personality trait, much like some vegans, where it becomes the only thing they talk about.

I dont agree (whats new?

I can see the angle youre taking but from myself this isnt the case. I do challenge people that make incorrect statements, theyre usually repeating commonly reported 'facts', they are of course usually ICE drivers. The typical ICE driver stereotype that is anti EV will repeat batteries need replacing after 8 years, they dont time to wait for hours for the EV to charge and their ICE vehicle can do 700 miles without stopping to refuel which of course is essential for them.

FWIW I was a definite petrol head until 2017, I had some very nice cars, my last ones 4.4 TDV8 Range Rover, Volkswagen Touareg, Audi Allroad etc. None of them were budget, low powered cars, all of them diesel. It was with some apprehension that I went from my Range Rover to my BMW EV but I have no regrets, if I'd listened to the folklore of the anti EV brigade I would not have made the change. I really feel accuracy is of great importance and that the message from actual EV drivers should give a more accurate picture than the ICE drivers repeating inaccurate reporting and media articles.

Now where's my vegan lunch and soya milk drink

 

[RonnieI]

Road Tax is emissions based hence why a Range Rover pays more than a Fiat 500. EV's are zero emissions and therefore should be exempt from road tax with the system we have. I personally feel road tax should be based on miles and weight to make it fair to all users. Drive more miles = Pay more tax, heavy car also pays more tax.


There is absolutely no doubt it will clean up the planet. Emissions from burning oil are huge.


This is true for all vehicles, a lot is produced in China, not just EV related.

Consider the gas supply for UK, we bring in gas from Australlia, USA and other places by ship, we import directly from Norway via pipeline. Here in Gainsborough were sat on a massive gas find that this government wont licence to be extracted due to their green policies How does that make sense? Why not extract what we have and cancel the shipping and importing of gas?


Have a look at this and see if it gives a more favourable outlook.

For all those people who view the EV as the saviour of the planet I would encourage them to read Cobalt Red by Siddharth Kara. They may not feel quite as comfortable driving them round knowing how materials for their construction are obtained.

 

[Crazy Dave]

For all those people who view the EV as the saviour of the planet I would encourage them to read Cobalt Red by Siddharth Kara. They may not feel quite as comfortable driving them round knowing how materials for their construction are obtained.

And then read this........

 

[paulrbarnard]

Good for you. We've had this conversation before where I stated quite clearly that the MGs I've had experience of were a heap of cr*p inmo. The fact you're happy with them is also your choice and you're welcome to it. I wopuldn';t have one as a gift.

You also at least have admitted the fact that children work in the lithium mines where before you stated "Absolutely not true, popular media myth." so make your mind up as that comment was clearly untrue.

You constantly say you’re not anti EV but keep coming to threads to knock them down. Doesn’t stack up for me…

The child labour is real but it’s not because of lithium mines it’s because of poverty. They would be working just the same if they were mining coal. But probably not being paid as much.

 

[RonnieI]

And then read this........

Hmmm, maybe I've been suckered. However, after doing a bit more reading it appears that the mining of cobalt and lithium is not exactly environmentally friendly. The quest for zero emission EVs or power generation just seems to move the environmental issues somewhere else.

 

[paulrbarnard]

It never did make sense to me that EV`s got cheaper tax, they are heavy and damage the roads just as much as anyone else. They already avoid fuel duty.
It is just the government trying to force everyone to buy ne EV`s which they decided to encourage in the belief it will clean up the planet somehow.
Many of the components and materials being shipped all over the world and made in China where they use masses of coal. It makes no sense.
Sure there might be a bit less emmissions in central Bath and London but I doubt it will cut global emissions at all.

EV aren’t heavier than the equivalent ICE. Check out electric classics on YouTube they convert classic cars to electric and have videos of before and after weight. The conversions are often lighter than the original ICE.
Cars in general are getting bigger and heavier.

 

[John Hughes01]

Net Zero is a fantasy conjured up by politions living in cloud cuckoo land. Do they really think that they aboilsh the production of ic cars in less than five years. The motoring organisations feel they have missed an interim step on the way to Net Zero. All car makers have developed a range of hybrids including the PHEV. How can car manufacturers adapt again in the time available.
I have to admit to owning a PHEV which I am delighted with. Being retired most of my miles are on electric which I feel happy about about but my car is regarded as polluting the environment. so will have to go. How silly.

 

[johnb80]

Hmmm, maybe I've been suckered. However, after doing a bit more reading it appears that the mining of cobalt and lithium is not exactly environmentally friendly.

Unlike oil and gas?

The quest for zero emission EVs or power generation just seems to move the environmental issues somewhere else.

Nope, not at all. BMW i3 for example is made from recycled materials or recyclable materials in a purpose built factory with it's own green power generation on site. Or, at least was until production ceased last year.

 

[Spectric]

EV's are zero emissions and therefore should be exempt from road tax with the system we have.

They produce no emissions directly but will be responsible for indirect emissions because the electricity needed might not all be from renewable sources. They will also produce more pollution from the tyres due to increased weight and the manufacturing process is also a high polluter.

 

[Crazy Dave]

Yawning

 

[John Brown]

They produce no emissions directly but will be responsible for indirect emissions because the electricity needed might not all be from renewable sources. They will also produce more pollution from the tyres due to increased weight and the manufacturing process is also a high polluter.

But less from the brakes.
Yawn also...

 

[RonnieI]

Unlike oil and gas?


Nope, not at all. BMW i3 for example is made from recycled materials or recyclable materials in a purpose built factory with it's own green power generation on site. Or, at least was until production ceased last year.

I didn't say oil and gas are environmentally friendly. Just the whole net zero ideology is just that, it patently cannot be net zero, there will always be emissions.

 

[Blackswanwood]

I didn't say oil and gas are environmentally friendly. Just the whole net zero ideology is just that, it patently cannot be net zero, there will always be emissions.

Net zero does not mean that there will be no emissions - it’s the point where the amount of green house gases being introduced is equal to the amount being removed from the atmosphere. To achieve it emissions need to be reduced alongside initiatives such as carbon capture.

 

[RonnieI]

Net zero does not mean that there will be no emissions - it’s the point where the amount of green house gases being introduced is equal to the amount being removed from the atmosphere. To achieve it emissions need to be reduced alongside initiatives such as carbon capture.

Carbon capture is unlikely to deliver appreciable sequestration of carbon in the short term, the technology on an industrial scale is not proven to work in any way cost effectively. Trees and algae work pretty well and produce oxygen as a rather useful by product.

 

[johnb80]

They produce no emissions directly but will be responsible for indirect emissions because the electricity needed might not all be from renewable sources.

Most energy suppliers now are 100% green eg Octopus, Tomato, Scottish Power etc. In my case most of mine comes from solar on my roof or Tomato energy.

They will also produce more pollution from the tyres due to increased weight

The extra weight is not always the case and the use of regen braking helps the tyre wear due to being less harsh, the no gear changes also helps with tyre wear too.

and the manufacturing process is also a high polluter.

Again, not so, BMW i3 is made from recycled materials or recyclable materials in a factory with it's own green energy power generation on site. The potential manufacturing pollution isnt really a valid point because ICE vehicle manufacturing is a greater polluter.