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It was an Hyundai i20 which is NOT an EV, it did say EV in the program though. Dangerous things these ICE cars with volatile fuel.

This one, near Chesterfield.

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Not another made-up EV fire story, surely?

I've heard that just knowing somebody who drives an EV makes you 4 times more likely to spontaneously combust.
 
One of those EV's bears little resemblance to the technology of a milkfloat or a scalectrix for that mater and is cramed with complex technology that has to monitor many parameters so unfortunately requires a box of sensors.
Really?
Maybe you could educate me by telling me what those sensors do then because there are no emissions.
 
Maybe you could educate me by telling me what those sensors do then because there are no emissions.
It might be an EV with an electric motor but it is not like the motor on your woodworking machinery where you just turn the power on/off . These motors are three phase and driven by complex invertors using forms of vector control. You need to know the position of the rotor so you have position sensors, you need to know the stator currents so that you can control the torque as part of a three term control loop and will be monitoring temperature as a protective measure. You will also have a pedal sensor so the control system knows what speed you are requesting, sensors for battery management and charging, sensors that monitor the temperature of power switches in the drive controler, others to monitor transmission temperature and then you will have others that work in the regenerative braking system in conjunction with the ABS. You will also have sensors carried over from the ICE vehicle such as impact sensors to trigger airbags.
 
It might be an EV with an electric motor but it is not like the motor on your woodworking machinery where you just turn the power on/off . These motors are three phase and driven by complex invertors using forms of vector control. You need to know the position of the rotor so you have position sensors, you need to know the stator currents so that you can control the torque as part of a three term control loop and will be monitoring temperature as a protective measure. You will also have a pedal sensor so the control system knows what speed you are requesting, sensors for battery management and charging, sensors that monitor the temperature of power switches in the drive controler, others to monitor transmission temperature and then you will have others that work in the regenerative braking system in conjunction with the ABS. You will also have sensors carried over from the ICE vehicle such as impact sensors to trigger airbags.
But it doesn't have a knock sensor or a MAF, MAP or Lambda sensors or fuel rail pressure sensors or oil temperature or oil pressure sensor so that makes better. 🤣
 
There's only one Toyota pure EV I can think of that has only just been released in the past year or so. Are you sure you're not thinking of a hybrid? Lots of Prius taxi cabs out there.
No idea and TBH didn't care if it was EV or hybrid...I just was intrigued by the tech
 
But it doesn't have a knock sensor or a MAF, MAP or Lambda sensors or fuel rail pressure sensors or oil temperature or oil pressure sensor so that makes better.
The sensors are the easy part, it is the control system where it gets complex and having worked on ICE ECU software and motor control software for Ac & BLDC then there is not a lot of difference in complexity. Where the EV wins on both time and cost is in the calibration stage, with ICE you have very expensive powertrain test cells for calibration, durability testing and legal certification but the EV is essentially just lots of electrical parameters.
 
Absolutely. So bloody easy and quick to refuel.
Depends on your destinations and charging options. Nothing easier than plugging in at home and charging up on dirt cheap electricity. Yes charging out on the road is not as simple but for us only had to do that once in over a year.
 
Yup. And all those lithium batteries surrounding it made it virtually impossible to put out.
think you'll find they actually said it was the running flaming fuels that made it impossible to put out as they just ensured it spread from one vehicle to the next...not much of that in an ev ;)
 
And a sensor for thermal runaway in an EV Lithium battery, not sure what it is going to actually do apart from warn the driver to get out quick.

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Went in a Toyota taxi the other day. I think it is possibly Level 3 on the car automation scale. Really spooky to watch it driving along behind the vehicle in front, tracking it's speed and braking, following it round the bends, taxi driver itting back with his arms crossed.

You still won't catch me buying an EV. I find them soulless.
I think this is part of the problem with EVs they are trying to make them do too much. I don't want some internet linked self driving whatever, I just want a car that I am in control of both physically and software wise.

I don't want to find that some small print means that the parent company can 'update' the software and now I have to pay some subscription to use the radio or something.

As for souless, there are plenty of ICE cars that also fit that. I used to be into cars a lot but in the past 15years there has literally been nothing but grey same old same old cars. I can't tell the difference between a 10yr old Golf and a brand new one, and even then it might not even be a golf as it could be a Seat or a Skoda.

It's certainly not for everyone but I like things like the Renault Twizy and Aptera, at least they are making an effort at re-thinking what a car should be.
 
And a sensor for thermal runaway in an EV Lithium battery, not sure what it is going to actually do apart from warn the driver to get out quick.

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Temperature and pressure is a good indicator of things going wrong, packs swell up before thermal runaway and temperature rapidly increases. LifeP04 is much more stable and less likely to combust than earlier LiPo batteries.
 
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