ebook vs paperback mini rant
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Ian down london way
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If my house caught fire, and its contents were destroyed, well, at least I could buy a new Kindle and get all my e-books back. Whereas all my paper books, apparently neither the authors nor the books shops are willing to give me replacement copies -how unfair is that! I bought copies !
Ian down london way
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PS - I wonder how many books have been destroyed in house fires compared to those retrieved by Amazon ... 
MarkDennehy
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Er... that's why we have home insurance that specifically covers the contents of the home against fire...
RobinBHM
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There is some controversy over ownership of kindle downloads.
For example is a couple have a joint Amazon account and both order kindle downloads through the same account, if the couple split, the downloads can only be uploaded to that original account -Amazon wont split accounts or move to a new account
If you die you the account cant be part of your estate, although somebody can take on the Amazon account......so kindle books can be immortal.
For example is a couple have a joint Amazon account and both order kindle downloads through the same account, if the couple split, the downloads can only be uploaded to that original account -Amazon wont split accounts or move to a new account
If you die you the account cant be part of your estate, although somebody can take on the Amazon account......so kindle books can be immortal.
I think this is a genuinely enlightening thread, bringing out advantages and disadvantages that don't always get explained well.
I'd just like to mention a few excellent sources of out of copyright material, where you don't have to pay anyone or link your use of an ebook file to a personal account. I know that Amazon include some out of copyright material in the Kindle store, but they charge you for it.
The long established Gutenberg Project has a wide range of free books, carefully transcribed to digital format by human beings. http://www.gutenberg.org/
The Open Library lists as many books as it can, with links to ebook versions where available.
https://openlibrary.org/
And don't forget our own sticky:
free-downloadable-woodworking-books-plans-ref-sites-t82220.html
I'd just like to mention a few excellent sources of out of copyright material, where you don't have to pay anyone or link your use of an ebook file to a personal account. I know that Amazon include some out of copyright material in the Kindle store, but they charge you for it.
The long established Gutenberg Project has a wide range of free books, carefully transcribed to digital format by human beings. http://www.gutenberg.org/
The Open Library lists as many books as it can, with links to ebook versions where available.
https://openlibrary.org/
And don't forget our own sticky:
free-downloadable-woodworking-books-plans-ref-sites-t82220.html
Ian down london way
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MarkDennehy":2dmnt063 said:
Good point.
How about, how many books have been lost (left behind on trains etc) compared to those retrieved by Amazon. Or dropped in puddles. Or destroyed by teething dogs / babies, or spilt coffee (other drinks are available).
MarkDennehy
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I dunno about you though Ian, but I'm on my sixth kindle/tablet device. Primarily because toddler-proofing is not physically possible in this universe without locking the toddler in the attic. Of another house. In another country. And then moving house and faking your own death and living on a small island off the coast of Fiji.
And then you have the problem that the wifi there absolutely sucks...
On the other hand, books are repairable for most minor forms of damage that render electronics pretty much toast by letting out the magic smoke.
And then you have the problem that the wifi there absolutely sucks...
On the other hand, books are repairable for most minor forms of damage that render electronics pretty much toast by letting out the magic smoke.
AES
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Here are my responses to Mark Dennehy's recent posts.
Mark's posts are marked "MARK" (sorry!) and shortened by me (I have tried to do it FAIRLY!). My responses are marked "AES":
(In response to my claim about printing out pages via my PC-installed Kindle reader),
MARK wrote: "You can't print out pages from Kindle. .... There's no print function ..... it's not a function they intend for you to have in that application".
AES: Yup, sorry Mark, I was guilty of not writing precisely. Now that I've searched for a "print" function, I see there isn't one, you're quite right. What I should have written was "I've printed out CHARTS, etc". NOT necessarily the same thing, I agree. When I was forced ("kicking and screaming" of course!) to change from Win XP to Win 7, I got "free of charge" (as part of the Win 7 OS I think), a thing called "Snipping Tool". Quite easy to use (it does various shapes & sizes, or you can drag it over a particular area, like the "Lassoo" tool in Photoshop). As I was interested in various charts, etc, in my AF 447 book, I simply used that tool to outline the various charts, etc, I needed. Then saved them as separate printouts & files (you can choose .pdf, .jpg, etc, etc). I suppose I could have done a whole page with it (I didn't try). But as I said in a previous post, if one was perverse enough, had an unlimited amount of time, plus a HUGE budget for inkjet cartridges, I GUESS one could print the whole book out. But who's going to do that in the real world? And I'm not clever enough to know what the "DRM" is that you referred to. I guess some IT professional's term. Just like "RVSM" is a professional aviation term. Anyway, here's one of the charts I did print out, very easily, as above (it's a .jpg BTW):
MARK: "Ignore the big brother bit, that's just that journalist ........ This stuff isn't big brother, it's all legal and above board. I mean, it's sneaky and conniving, but it's not illegal .......... "
AES: Yup, I've seen what journo's do with something I do know about. Far too often they've NOT a clue, and far too often, the result is just not even worth reading!
MARK: " ........ if Paul Sellers knows anything about wood."
AES: "Paul WHO?". (Sorry, Mark. I just couldn't resist that)
MARK: "Seriously. Schneier has an incredible track record and is world-renowned."
AES: Sorry to denigrate a world-renowned expert. I'd never heard of him (which should NOT of course prejudice my listening to him), but what DID prejudice me was his "statement" that you can't loan Kindle E-books (which of course, you CAN, and under exactly the conditions I quoted in my earlier post). As you suggest, the journo probably mis-quoted him.
MARK: "And the main thing": (Then you refer to my hours of searching Amazon's Ts & Cs). "That's something that has been specifically complained about before".
AES: As you say, it's not fair, and it takes HOURS, but as your linked Guardian article says, QUOTE: .........., said many terms and conditions agreements, not just Amazon Kindle’s, (my italics) were “completely unreasonable". UNQUOTE: To which I would add that like it or not (I really do NOT, who does?), there's absolutely nothing new in lengthy, dense, and "hidden" unfair Ts & Cs. You're right, this clearly IS intentional. But why are we singling Amazon/Kindle out here? If we all "as a matter of principle" didn't buy stuff (goods AND services) from companies who have unfair Ts & Cs, then we'd all be, in MANY respects, a lot "worse off". In the real world, I suggest that most of us know we're buying something from some company who will bend over backwards to protect themselves whilst not giving a fig for us, the buyers. And although "Consumer Rights" have made some progress in some areas, the reality is that we do all continue to buy, often without even knowing, (or often simply surmising) that the scales are tipped against us. BTW, I am NO Amazon fan (but am a fan of their Kindle - there's a difference!), but in this area, it seems to me that Amazon are simply doing exactly what so many others do (and have been doing since before Amazon was even a little start up). So no need to rule Kindle out on those grounds - IMO.
MARK: "However, the "you do not own the book, you've just licensed it" part is something that kind of stands out. It's right at the start, in section one of the Kindle Store terms of use (you have eight or nine EULAs to read, don't forget, not just one)".
AES: Thanks for the detailed quote Mark. I really did miss that - looking in the wrong place I guess. OK, you're correct, and just as you say, I haven't bought a book (or a software file), I've simply licensed it. But again, back to the real world. "So what?" I ask. The likelihood of me (or anyone else) winning the lottery and taking Amazon (or any other "Big Brother") to court (your example) is, in reality, just about as likely as Amazon "stealing"/shutting down every Kindle reader's E-book! What sort of a business plan would that be? Clearly their goal is to make as much money as possible, and personally I fail to see any way in which doing something like that would assist that business plan in any way (even if they could get away with it). On the contrary, they're in the lovely position of having somehow "bought" that AF 447 book, have "sold" (sorry, licensed!) it to me, and they're now gagging to sell it to you and as many other people as humanly possible.
MARK: " And the 2009 Orwell incident wasn't the only time that happened to ordinary people".
AES: Yup, I followed that link too. That article makes clear that A) this licensing "problem" applies NOT just to Amazon/Kindle, but again, applies to just about every sort of software we all "buy". And B) this is again a SINGLE example of an individual running into problems with this licensing business - but it does NOT appear to be happening every day, to lots and lots of individuals (I wonder why not?) - and further, just like your first example Mark, (now I quote the linked article) "After taking her story public, Amazon saw the error of their ways and restored her Kindle library. She's still waiting on her replacement Kindle, but in the meantime has access to her library through the Kindle iOS app on her iPad." Agreed, the reasons why Amazon did this to that particular customer seem to be somewhat "sinister" (journos again?), but I keep coming back to the day-to-day real world - it's unfair, it's unethical, it smacks of big brother (or big business), and I do NOT like the idea - BUT the chances of this actually happening to me still seems VERY VERY slight, AND I still have my books (and the software reader) backed up on a device which, as far as I can see, Amazon cannot access in any way - even if they wanted to (which, as above, would not only seem to go against common sense but also completely against any rational business plan I can possibly imagine)!
Quote:
MARK: "... the Content Provider grants you a non-exclusive right to view, use, and display such Kindle Content an unlimited number of times (for Subscription Content, only as long as you remain an active member of the underlying membership or subscription program), (my italics again) ..... not sold, to you by the Content Provider. You licensed the content and that licence has some strict conditions. You did not buy a book".
AES: OK, I concede that point. But as above, I ask "So what?" - in the real world.
MARK: "...... you can "lend" your ebook in kindle ..... only to specific people you know and have told Amazon are your friends or family. ....... a small side note - knowing who your friends or family are is valuable financially to Amazon .... "
AES: Also agreed (I did spot that and already noted those Ts & Cs in my previous post). BUT (real world again, sorry, but that's where I live!) if you lived next door to me I could lend you my device and you could then read all my books. Provided you didn't log in with it ("aeroplane mode") Amazon would - COULD - never know, correct? And of course, you do not need to log in to read my books! And YES, I do know about the marketing tricks for "friends and relations, etc". (Aside: This reminds me of the story, no doubt apocryphal, about the big-wheel Senior Veep in the US who was moaning to his wife about being away for a week 'cos he had to go to a conference in Connecticut or somewhere equally boring. But he really booked himself and his "secretary" on a 1st Class trip to Hawaii. He then had rather a lot of explaining to do some weeks later when his wife opened a letter addressed to him from the airline saying something along the lines of "As we're sure you and your partner enjoyed your recent 1st Class trip to Hawaii with us, you'd really like to know about some other special offers to exotic destinations we have for our top-level customers, wouldn't you?" - or something of the sort!
MARK: "Look, I still buy ebooks. The convenience is a serious boon (and they're selling them at a lower price ..........".
AES: Precisely my REAL WORLD point Mark. Despite your list of objections to Amazon (which I've demonstrated apply equally to many, many others), you still buy E-books. And YES, just like you, I still buy "dead tree" books too - mainly if diagrams, etc, are involved.
But to be fair, you have proven your point, albeit IMO, to suit the largely "theoretical/in principle" world. So to the list of 15 Kindle advantages and 6 Kindle disadvantages I posted (right back on P1 of this thread would you believe!), to be fair I should add a 7th disadvantage:
7. You are NOT buying a book you're buying a license. This means that Amazon/Kindle COULD block your access to material which you've "BOUGHT", and WITHOUT your permission too. They've done it before. But based on evidence supplied so far, it seems that provided you stick to the rules, the chances of Amazon/Kindle actually doing this to you are vanishingly small.
And being the "electronic dummy" that I am, I should perhaps an 8th possible "disadvantage":
8. Unless you buy the latest model, you cannot read your books in the coal cellar without a torch!
OK, IMO this has gone on far too long, but thanks to you Mark, and others, for engaging in a debate which has NEVER gone "Jacob-ish" (or "sharpening-ish") and which has, hopefully, kept several members amused - NOT bored.
P.S. Andy T is quite correct, and Amazon/Kindle is not the only source of E-books - by far. AND there are some old books which have been digitized and which are now in the public domain. I have the 1913(?) book about toy making, linked to on this site, and as Andy says, there are many others too.
AES
Mark's posts are marked "MARK" (sorry!) and shortened by me (I have tried to do it FAIRLY!). My responses are marked "AES":
(In response to my claim about printing out pages via my PC-installed Kindle reader),
MARK wrote: "You can't print out pages from Kindle. .... There's no print function ..... it's not a function they intend for you to have in that application".
AES: Yup, sorry Mark, I was guilty of not writing precisely. Now that I've searched for a "print" function, I see there isn't one, you're quite right. What I should have written was "I've printed out CHARTS, etc". NOT necessarily the same thing, I agree. When I was forced ("kicking and screaming" of course!) to change from Win XP to Win 7, I got "free of charge" (as part of the Win 7 OS I think), a thing called "Snipping Tool". Quite easy to use (it does various shapes & sizes, or you can drag it over a particular area, like the "Lassoo" tool in Photoshop). As I was interested in various charts, etc, in my AF 447 book, I simply used that tool to outline the various charts, etc, I needed. Then saved them as separate printouts & files (you can choose .pdf, .jpg, etc, etc). I suppose I could have done a whole page with it (I didn't try). But as I said in a previous post, if one was perverse enough, had an unlimited amount of time, plus a HUGE budget for inkjet cartridges, I GUESS one could print the whole book out. But who's going to do that in the real world? And I'm not clever enough to know what the "DRM" is that you referred to. I guess some IT professional's term. Just like "RVSM" is a professional aviation term. Anyway, here's one of the charts I did print out, very easily, as above (it's a .jpg BTW):
MARK: "Ignore the big brother bit, that's just that journalist ........ This stuff isn't big brother, it's all legal and above board. I mean, it's sneaky and conniving, but it's not illegal .......... "
AES: Yup, I've seen what journo's do with something I do know about. Far too often they've NOT a clue, and far too often, the result is just not even worth reading!
MARK: " ........ if Paul Sellers knows anything about wood."
AES: "Paul WHO?". (Sorry, Mark. I just couldn't resist that)
MARK: "Seriously. Schneier has an incredible track record and is world-renowned."
AES: Sorry to denigrate a world-renowned expert. I'd never heard of him (which should NOT of course prejudice my listening to him), but what DID prejudice me was his "statement" that you can't loan Kindle E-books (which of course, you CAN, and under exactly the conditions I quoted in my earlier post). As you suggest, the journo probably mis-quoted him.
MARK: "And the main thing": (Then you refer to my hours of searching Amazon's Ts & Cs). "That's something that has been specifically complained about before".
AES: As you say, it's not fair, and it takes HOURS, but as your linked Guardian article says, QUOTE: .........., said many terms and conditions agreements, not just Amazon Kindle’s, (my italics) were “completely unreasonable". UNQUOTE: To which I would add that like it or not (I really do NOT, who does?), there's absolutely nothing new in lengthy, dense, and "hidden" unfair Ts & Cs. You're right, this clearly IS intentional. But why are we singling Amazon/Kindle out here? If we all "as a matter of principle" didn't buy stuff (goods AND services) from companies who have unfair Ts & Cs, then we'd all be, in MANY respects, a lot "worse off". In the real world, I suggest that most of us know we're buying something from some company who will bend over backwards to protect themselves whilst not giving a fig for us, the buyers. And although "Consumer Rights" have made some progress in some areas, the reality is that we do all continue to buy, often without even knowing, (or often simply surmising) that the scales are tipped against us. BTW, I am NO Amazon fan (but am a fan of their Kindle - there's a difference!), but in this area, it seems to me that Amazon are simply doing exactly what so many others do (and have been doing since before Amazon was even a little start up). So no need to rule Kindle out on those grounds - IMO.
MARK: "However, the "you do not own the book, you've just licensed it" part is something that kind of stands out. It's right at the start, in section one of the Kindle Store terms of use (you have eight or nine EULAs to read, don't forget, not just one)".
AES: Thanks for the detailed quote Mark. I really did miss that - looking in the wrong place I guess. OK, you're correct, and just as you say, I haven't bought a book (or a software file), I've simply licensed it. But again, back to the real world. "So what?" I ask. The likelihood of me (or anyone else) winning the lottery and taking Amazon (or any other "Big Brother") to court (your example) is, in reality, just about as likely as Amazon "stealing"/shutting down every Kindle reader's E-book! What sort of a business plan would that be? Clearly their goal is to make as much money as possible, and personally I fail to see any way in which doing something like that would assist that business plan in any way (even if they could get away with it). On the contrary, they're in the lovely position of having somehow "bought" that AF 447 book, have "sold" (sorry, licensed!) it to me, and they're now gagging to sell it to you and as many other people as humanly possible.
MARK: " And the 2009 Orwell incident wasn't the only time that happened to ordinary people".
AES: Yup, I followed that link too. That article makes clear that A) this licensing "problem" applies NOT just to Amazon/Kindle, but again, applies to just about every sort of software we all "buy". And B) this is again a SINGLE example of an individual running into problems with this licensing business - but it does NOT appear to be happening every day, to lots and lots of individuals (I wonder why not?) - and further, just like your first example Mark, (now I quote the linked article) "After taking her story public, Amazon saw the error of their ways and restored her Kindle library. She's still waiting on her replacement Kindle, but in the meantime has access to her library through the Kindle iOS app on her iPad." Agreed, the reasons why Amazon did this to that particular customer seem to be somewhat "sinister" (journos again?), but I keep coming back to the day-to-day real world - it's unfair, it's unethical, it smacks of big brother (or big business), and I do NOT like the idea - BUT the chances of this actually happening to me still seems VERY VERY slight, AND I still have my books (and the software reader) backed up on a device which, as far as I can see, Amazon cannot access in any way - even if they wanted to (which, as above, would not only seem to go against common sense but also completely against any rational business plan I can possibly imagine)!
Quote:
MARK: "... the Content Provider grants you a non-exclusive right to view, use, and display such Kindle Content an unlimited number of times (for Subscription Content, only as long as you remain an active member of the underlying membership or subscription program), (my italics again) ..... not sold, to you by the Content Provider. You licensed the content and that licence has some strict conditions. You did not buy a book".
AES: OK, I concede that point. But as above, I ask "So what?" - in the real world.
MARK: "...... you can "lend" your ebook in kindle ..... only to specific people you know and have told Amazon are your friends or family. ....... a small side note - knowing who your friends or family are is valuable financially to Amazon .... "
AES: Also agreed (I did spot that and already noted those Ts & Cs in my previous post). BUT (real world again, sorry, but that's where I live!) if you lived next door to me I could lend you my device and you could then read all my books. Provided you didn't log in with it ("aeroplane mode") Amazon would - COULD - never know, correct? And of course, you do not need to log in to read my books! And YES, I do know about the marketing tricks for "friends and relations, etc". (Aside: This reminds me of the story, no doubt apocryphal, about the big-wheel Senior Veep in the US who was moaning to his wife about being away for a week 'cos he had to go to a conference in Connecticut or somewhere equally boring. But he really booked himself and his "secretary" on a 1st Class trip to Hawaii. He then had rather a lot of explaining to do some weeks later when his wife opened a letter addressed to him from the airline saying something along the lines of "As we're sure you and your partner enjoyed your recent 1st Class trip to Hawaii with us, you'd really like to know about some other special offers to exotic destinations we have for our top-level customers, wouldn't you?" - or something of the sort!
MARK: "Look, I still buy ebooks. The convenience is a serious boon (and they're selling them at a lower price ..........".
AES: Precisely my REAL WORLD point Mark. Despite your list of objections to Amazon (which I've demonstrated apply equally to many, many others), you still buy E-books. And YES, just like you, I still buy "dead tree" books too - mainly if diagrams, etc, are involved.
But to be fair, you have proven your point, albeit IMO, to suit the largely "theoretical/in principle" world. So to the list of 15 Kindle advantages and 6 Kindle disadvantages I posted (right back on P1 of this thread would you believe!), to be fair I should add a 7th disadvantage:
7. You are NOT buying a book you're buying a license. This means that Amazon/Kindle COULD block your access to material which you've "BOUGHT", and WITHOUT your permission too. They've done it before. But based on evidence supplied so far, it seems that provided you stick to the rules, the chances of Amazon/Kindle actually doing this to you are vanishingly small.
And being the "electronic dummy" that I am, I should perhaps an 8th possible "disadvantage":
8. Unless you buy the latest model, you cannot read your books in the coal cellar without a torch!
OK, IMO this has gone on far too long, but thanks to you Mark, and others, for engaging in a debate which has NEVER gone "Jacob-ish" (or "sharpening-ish") and which has, hopefully, kept several members amused - NOT bored.
P.S. Andy T is quite correct, and Amazon/Kindle is not the only source of E-books - by far. AND there are some old books which have been digitized and which are now in the public domain. I have the 1913(?) book about toy making, linked to on this site, and as Andy says, there are many others too.
AES
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RobinBHM
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For anybody interested in seeing what kindle published books are available free, on Amazon site search for kindle books and select 'cheapest first' for the display order -all the books that are free come up first.
Not saying there are any good ones mind you!
My Father who has poor eyesight loves having a kindle since he can choose the font size -something I think has made a huge different to older or partially sight readers
Not saying there are any good ones mind you!
My Father who has poor eyesight loves having a kindle since he can choose the font size -something I think has made a huge different to older or partially sight readers
RogerP
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I use this to find free books on Amazon.
http://uk.dailyfreebooks.com/
You can set it up to find only stuff you're interested in and get a daily email if you wish.
http://uk.dailyfreebooks.com/
You can set it up to find only stuff you're interested in and get a daily email if you wish.
MarkDennehy
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Well, no, they're 100% because they already have done it in the past.
Look, I buy ebooks, but when I do, I know what I'm buying. So long as you understand what that is, there's nothing inherently wrong with it; it's just that it's inferior (in terms of your consumer rights) to buying an actual dead-tree edition of the book. The latter becomes your personal asset on purchase. You can keep it, pulp it, loan it, resell it, or do almost anything else you want with it (I think if you scanned in all the pages and uploaded them to the net that might get you in bother). With an ebook, none of that is true. If that doesn't bother you (and it doesn't bother me for books I'd class as airport reading, like the Tom Clancy and John Grisham novels), then apart from the advertising metadata issue which takes effort to avoid these days, you should be fine.
Gerry
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Am I the only one not overly impressed by the Jack Reacher books? The first one was a good yarn, but the two or three I read after that all followed the same pattern...
[spoiler alert]
1. he arrives in new town
2. beats someone up
3. discovers crime ring
4. gets the girl
5. smashes crime ring
6. leaves town
[spoiler alert]
1. he arrives in new town
2. beats someone up
3. discovers crime ring
4. gets the girl
5. smashes crime ring
6. leaves town
+1 for Calibre. I think it's the best defence against finding that you can't access your eBooks because you have got locked out of your account. (That could happen with Amazon for no clear reason, (as in one of Mark's links) or because of a dispute or malware problems.)
If your Amazon content is only on a Kindle, there's also a warning in what happened with some of the earliest models. If they didn't connect to Amazon by a certain date and download a software update, they would stop working altogether. In other words, Amazon had built in a self-destruct date for any device not linked to a live account.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.pcadvi ... 431/%3Famp
I'm not saying that they have done this for newer devices - I don't know - but they have form, so shop with your eyes open.
If your Amazon content is only on a Kindle, there's also a warning in what happened with some of the earliest models. If they didn't connect to Amazon by a certain date and download a software update, they would stop working altogether. In other words, Amazon had built in a self-destruct date for any device not linked to a live account.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.pcadvi ... 431/%3Famp
I'm not saying that they have done this for newer devices - I don't know - but they have form, so shop with your eyes open.
AES
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@Mark:
You wrote, QUOTE: Well, no, they're 100% because they already have done it in the past. UNQUOTE.
Well I don't see how, just because they've done it "sometimes", this works out to be 100%. As I look at, in comparison to the - must be "vast" number of Kindle users - "subscribers" (whatever we should call them) this does indeed work out to be vanishingly small.
But anyway, we're repeating ourselves now, and that's boring for you (I guess), for me, and everyone else too.
Thanks for a lively, good-tempered discussion which has never degenerated into mud slinging. MUCH appreciated Sir.
Thanks also to all the other participants too, especially for the news about Kindle free-bees, and the link to this Calibre software. I shall download that and see if I can make it work (IF I can, then absolutely anyone can!!
You see Mark, (and Andy T: QUOTE: .... so shop with your eyes open. UNQUOTE. I have learnt something new, and so I AM heeding your caveats!
Cheers all (off to look at Scroll Sawing and other good stuff now). "Good on 'ere, ain't it?"
AES
You wrote, QUOTE: Well, no, they're 100% because they already have done it in the past. UNQUOTE.
Well I don't see how, just because they've done it "sometimes", this works out to be 100%. As I look at, in comparison to the - must be "vast" number of Kindle users - "subscribers" (whatever we should call them) this does indeed work out to be vanishingly small.
But anyway, we're repeating ourselves now, and that's boring for you (I guess), for me, and everyone else too.
Thanks for a lively, good-tempered discussion which has never degenerated into mud slinging. MUCH appreciated Sir.
Thanks also to all the other participants too, especially for the news about Kindle free-bees, and the link to this Calibre software. I shall download that and see if I can make it work (IF I can, then absolutely anyone can!!
You see Mark, (and Andy T: QUOTE: .... so shop with your eyes open. UNQUOTE
. I have learnt something new, and so I AM heeding your caveats!Cheers all (off to look at Scroll Sawing and other good stuff now). "Good on 'ere, ain't it?"
AES
AES
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Just a P.S. to all the above:
Following the tips from Gerry and Andy T (above) I have now successfully down loaded and installed Calibre (MUST have been easy, 'cos I did it all on my own, "right first time")! I haven't used it yet (it'll get a good bashing tomorrow, 'cos SWMBO doesn't allow me into the cellar on Sundays) but having watched the demo, I must say I'm pretty impressed so far.
If anyone's interested, I'll let you know how I got on with it later, but meantime, thanks a lot for the tip Gerry and AndyT.
But I have a question - I'm a complete virgin when it comes to this free down load/open ware stuff, and see the owner asks for "support". Is this usual, does one do so generally, and as a rough guide, what amount would be considered normal (a complete guess but there must have been a HELLUVA lot of work in writing that program).
TIA
AES
Following the tips from Gerry and Andy T (above) I have now successfully down loaded and installed Calibre (MUST have been easy, 'cos I did it all on my own, "right first time")! I haven't used it yet (it'll get a good bashing tomorrow, 'cos SWMBO doesn't allow me into the cellar on Sundays) but having watched the demo, I must say I'm pretty impressed so far.
If anyone's interested, I'll let you know how I got on with it later, but meantime, thanks a lot for the tip Gerry and AndyT.
But I have a question - I'm a complete virgin when it comes to this free down load/open ware stuff, and see the owner asks for "support". Is this usual, does one do so generally, and as a rough guide, what amount would be considered normal (a complete guess but there must have been a HELLUVA lot of work in writing that program).
TIA
AES
DTR... Yup, lee childs found a winning formula, and he stuck to it.
Reacher worked so well for me that I read about 8 or 9 before it became samey for me.
But then again, I only bought 1 of them and borrowed the rest so I dont feel hard done by.
Reacher worked so well for me that I read about 8 or 9 before it became samey for me.
But then again, I only bought 1 of them and borrowed the rest so I dont feel hard done by.
