Disgust!

[lurker]

Well said Colin,

Although I'm sickened like the rest of you.
Somehow, collectively WE have let this happen.

 

[kityuser]

The key thing in all these stories which always gets missed, is what motivated him to do such a thing?

Unless as a society we can understand that, we'll be no nearer in stopping this kind of thing happening.

It's all well and good punishing these people, and so they should. But it is not a deterrent, it will not stop more of this happening. The people that do these terrible things don't think about the consequences, it doesn't occur to them, hence why no matter what punishment is prescribed it won't deter these kind of people.

I would rather these people be taken to a high security facility, and be tested and researched upon until we can figure what makes them tick, and when we do, we'll be in a much stronger position as a society to deal with these situations.

I would rather people like this be taken away and made to pay.
By this I mean he should be hurt.... to within an inch of his life, then left to heal and then repeated again..... over and over and over.

beating this man to death would be too easy on him, and letting him get off too lightly.
how do people like this live with themselves?
nuf said

Steve

 

[ByronBlack]

The key thing in all these stories which always gets missed, is what motivated him to do such a thing?

Unless as a society we can understand that, we'll be no nearer in stopping this kind of thing happening.

It's all well and good punishing these people, and so they should. But it is not a deterrent, it will not stop more of this happening. The people that do these terrible things don't think about the consequences, it doesn't occur to them, hence why no matter what punishment is prescribed it won't deter these kind of people.

I would rather these people be taken to a high security facility, and be tested and researched upon until we can figure what makes them tick, and when we do, we'll be in a much stronger position as a society to deal with these situations.

I would rather people like this be taken away and made to pay.
By this I mean he should be hurt.... to within an inch of his life, then left to heal and then repeated again..... over and over and over.

beating this man to death would be too easy on him, and letting him get off too lightly.
how do people like this live with themselves?
nuf said

Steve

I agree he should be punished, I think that goes without saying. But what are we actually learning by doing that without studying these people more closely? Surely, you would agree that it should be our aim as a society to remove this kind of behaviour? To do that, just punishing isn't enough, it certainly won't deter it from happening again, and it certainly won't teach us anymore than we already know.

Punishment + Research should be the order of the day for people like this.

 

[kityuser]

The key thing in all these stories which always gets missed, is what motivated him to do such a thing?

Unless as a society we can understand that, we'll be no nearer in stopping this kind of thing happening.

It's all well and good punishing these people, and so they should. But it is not a deterrent, it will not stop more of this happening. The people that do these terrible things don't think about the consequences, it doesn't occur to them, hence why no matter what punishment is prescribed it won't deter these kind of people.

I would rather these people be taken to a high security facility, and be tested and researched upon until we can figure what makes them tick, and when we do, we'll be in a much stronger position as a society to deal with these situations.

I would rather people like this be taken away and made to pay.
By this I mean he should be hurt.... to within an inch of his life, then left to heal and then repeated again..... over and over and over.

beating this man to death would be too easy on him, and letting him get off too lightly.
how do people like this live with themselves?
nuf said

Steve

I agree he should be punished, I think that goes without saying. But what are we actually learning by doing that without studying these people more closely? Surely, you would agree that it should be our aim as a society to remove this kind of behaviour? To do that, just punishing isn't enough, it certainly won't deter it from happening again, and it certainly won't teach us anymore than we already know.

Punishment + Research should be the order of the day for people like this.

how about punish and publicly show what the ramifications are of this type of behaviour as a deterent.

I understand your point. This sort of thing chills me to the bone.

Steve

 

[billw]

how about punish and publicly show what the ramifications are of this type of behaviour as a deterent.

I understand your point. This sort of thing chills me to the bone.

Steve

The ramifications are irrelevant I think. Take speeding offences for example, one of the solutions these days is to make people sit through a workshop about the horrors of speeding in a car.

End result? People sit there and take no notice then continue to speed, because they've not had 3 points added to their licence.

Punishment doesn't go any way at all towards understanding the motives for the behaviour.

Nor does seeing a punishment handed out to someone else mean that a person is less likely to do what they feel inclined to do anyhow - otherwise we'd just have to send one criminal to the gallows and all criminal behaviour would cease instantly.

ps I KNOW speeding is not in the same ballpark as the offences mentioned above, I was merely using it as an example....

 

[Digit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-506706/Why-I-believe-paedophiles-NEVER-cured-says-chemical-castration-expert.html

Chemical castration is the same drug as used in cases of type three Prostate cancer, it consists of a pellet inserted under the skin that dissolves slowly into the blood stream and makes it impossible for the man to obtain an erection, whether it controls their sex drive I know not.

Roy.

 

[kityuser]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-506706/Why-I-believe-paedophiles-NEVER-cured-says-chemical-castration-expert.html

Chemical castration is the same drug as used in cases of type three Prostate cancer, it consists of a pellet inserted under the skin that dissolves slowly into the blood stream and makes it impossible for the man to obtain an erection, whether it controls their sex drive I know not.

Roy.

why not just remove said appendage?

Steve

 

[ByronBlack]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-506706/Why-I-believe-paedophiles-NEVER-cured-says-chemical-castration-expert.html

Chemical castration is the same drug as used in cases of type three Prostate cancer, it consists of a pellet inserted under the skin that dissolves slowly into the blood stream and makes it impossible for the man to obtain an erection, whether it controls their sex drive I know not.

Roy.

This is not the answer either. Let's face it, you do not need to have full function to be able to abuse someone - it's not a physical issue, it's the state of the mind of the person that needs looking at. Until we can control/edit the disturbing/sick thought processes, stuff like this will continue.

 

[Digit]

This is not the answer either. Let's face it, you do not need to have full function to be able to abuse someone

Absolutely!

why not just remove said appendage?

Be against their 'uman rights I guess, but what BB says about their emotions etc is of course correct. I have seen reports from those who oppose chemical castration who fear that offenders might then move up the scale in to violence.
I had surgery for my Prostate cancer but men I know who have had the chemical treatment say that the sex drive is diminished.
That would be logical as according to the discussions I had with the consultant who operated on me the substance used is a female hormone.
Many years ago the penal system operated Preventive Detention, those considered 'incorrigible' were held in custody to protect the public, since then of course we have made 'progress!!'

Roy.

 

[lurker]

Read again what Byron/Colin said.

You are all leaping to the assumption that this was a result of his sex drive.

I can't believe people are born evil .......... so what caused it?

 

[Digit]

Until we can control/edit the disturbing/sick thought processes,

I can just imagine the complaints against that and all BB.

Roy.

 

[ByronBlack]

Until we can control/edit the disturbing/sick thought processes,

I can just imagine the complaints against that and all BB.

Roy.

It's a massive minefield Roy, and it's because of the social and morale issues that it would throw up that has stopped us from going further into that direction.

The science behind it would be incredibly open to abuse. Our governments aren't trustworthy with the minutiae data that they keep on us as it is, but can you imagine the harm that could befall mankind if we developed a way of genetically predesignating the human mind to think in certain ways?

There is no easy way around this, I personally believe that this very subject (how to have perfect humans) is what will either destroy us all, or bring peace - whether or not we get to find out is another matter. In the meantime we have to deal with these sick people and keep the masses happy to an extent, it's a difficult conundrum that's for sure.

 

[Digit]

I see no problem with using the Mental Health Acts to detain serial sex offenders till they no longer constitute a threat. After all, I doubt most people would consider repeat sex offences as a sane act.

Roy.

 

[head clansman]

Hi

till they no longer constitute a threat.

at what age do they no longer constitute a threat , how many times
before have we seen them released and some do gooder say just that, only for them to go and rape and kill someone else . hc

 

[Digit]

No idea, but death would certainly curtail most of their activities somewhat.

Roy.

 

[head clansman]

Hi

The law is the law , rules made for all of use to live by and within its boundaries . IMHO step out side the law which in this case is rape, you then forfeit all your human right to live within in it.

Someone mentioned about being civilised and moving forward , are we :?: we use to have the death penalty although it will never be an entire deterrent, but i do believe in swift justice , by swift justice i believe if the death penalty was still here , rape and murder should carry the death sentence when the verdict guilty is announce the prisoner should be taken from the dock straight to the cell below the court room to be shot immediately no more expense to the public no more costly appeals etc that is MHO is swift justice ,knowing when the guilty verdict is pronounce it has to BE carry out immediately would be a huge deterrent in itself.

It's bad enough footing the cost of the trial but the law says innocent till prov-en guilty but after what they do it adding insult to injury expecting the tax payers of this country to foot the bill to keep those sort for the rest of there lives in luxury with all day tv and three meals a day , plus any further retrials etc only dragging out what should be carried out immediately .

I know a lot won't agree with this, this is my opinion but we have to draw the line somewhere.hc

 

[Digit]

There was a report on the news hc that a man is suing the Catholic Church over the abuse he suffered as a child at the hands of of a priest.
Apparently he is one of 12 who have come forward, had the priest been caught first time and removed from society then 11 others would have been free of his activities.
To me the 'rights' of those 11 are far greater than the 'rights' of the priest. As you say there are some crimes where you must forfeit the right to live within the society you have offended against.
There is too much emphasis today on the perpetrator and too little on the victim.

Roy.

 

[Jenx]

The morals and rights & wrongs of the crime etc are always going to be hotly debated.

I happened to catch a documentary the other night on Mark Chapman, ( he who shot John Lennon )....
An abhorrent senseless crime ... but what struck me about the show was how little I really know and understand about the complexities of the human mind, and the 'dis-eases' that can adversely affect it, and the consequences thereof.

I agree that no-one is 'born evil'... its something that has to be 'learned' ( in the biblical sense of the word )... even if this 'learning' comes through mental illness.

In no way does this mean I'd attempt to 'justify' the crime... not at all.
.. I just mean that the condition of the mind can cause someone to carry out appauling acts, and I realise that they may not always be 'master of their thinking', through mental illness.

Sadly, this type of thing will almost certainly be repeated at some future point, and we'll voice similar shock and horror as a result.

I guess all we can hope for is to ensure the same person never gets the opportunity to repeat their actions.

Perish the thought.. but conceivably, any one of us could potenttially go right off the rails tomorrow morning, and end up doing something massively out of character, I suppose.

 

[head clansman]

Hi

I guess all we can hope for is to ensure the same person never gets the opportunity to repeat their actions

that my entire point (death penalty carried immediately) he /she wont get a second chance .hc

 

[Digit]

Or failing the DP permanent incarceration.

Roy.