Deft T30 vs SIP 10" or AW10BSB2?

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Chems

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Going to upgrade my table saw this year, its a choice between the Deft T30 and the SIP 10", prices £895 for the deft and £600 for the SIP (or a lot cheaper if I get one on ebay second hand).

The deft doesn't seem to do anything the SIP does and is nearly £300 more expensive.

Whats peoples opinions?
 
If you decide on the SIP (or Axminster) saw then, keep your eyes on eBay as I've seen several second-hand models in the Northampton area in recent weeks. :wink:
 
I have the 12" SIP and can definitely recommend it. Very heavy and very accurate. Good fence system but alas no fitting for a dado. (Oops, did I say that word) :lol:
 
I have the sip 10" and it's a pleasure to use, does everything I need quite effortlessly, quietly and accurately.

Not to say the deft isn't better in some regards, I'm not familiar with that machine, but the sip isn't particularly lacking in any regard to make a choice easier.

Cheers, Paul :D
 
Both of these saws would be on my list if I was in the market for a bigger (in footprint) saw. It just comes down to money. The extra money you spend on the DEFT is well spent, but that doesn't mean the SIP is a bad saw. When MarkW and I looked over it at Ally Pally this year, we were impressed.
 
Had a play with the SIP saw today at the Northampton Woodwork centre (who are well stocked with Triton tools and tons of spares for them) it looks good, nice fence an this one had the sliding table which I don't want but that was very well built. The best bit I thought was that the standard mitre gauge is really ok, no slop. I'd want it to be quite quiet as my current saw is a killer.
 
Olly mentioned the Axminster so I had a look at the AW10BSB2, its a very good price as it includes all the tables plus the sliding carriage. Now my choice is diluted a little more. Maybe when they open their new store they will do a bit of a discount on it?
 
Hello,

Just to say the deft T30 is the same saw as the grizzly G0690 too. that could be helpful for someone to seek information on the web.

here's a close-up picture (not me)
IMG_9440.JPG
 
Yeah thats defiantly the same.

The laguna doesn't seem as good a buy against the Axminster one as the Axminster one comes with the sliding table for the same price.
 
The problem with the sliding table is it can be slightly inaccurate because of the many parts of it that sometimes get loose or so... I dont know exactly the reasons, I dont have such a saw but it's something I read often with sliding tables.

with the deft, you have almost the same sliding table function with a panel cutting sled that uses the miter track as a guide.

lrg_panel_sled.jpg
 
I agree. Chems, you really don't need a sliding table in a hobby workshop and they eat so much space. I never got on with mine on the Supersaw and I have removed the one on the TS200.
 
Yeah I'm sort of set really on just 2 cast iron wings, one for the extra cost and another for the fact I prefer the larger workspace. Also the plan has me putting a large assembly outfeed table behind the saw an you can't do this easily with a sliding carriage. I think the SIP it is for me. I will keep an eye on ebay but its the getting it from point a to point b thats hard.
 
It looks easier to transport than a full cabinet saw.
 
The sip breaks down quite easily, same as most saws I guess, front and back rails unbolt, then the wings unbolt, and can seperate top and bottom sections of the body if needed.

Still a lot of weight in the main section but should be quite possible to fit the bits in a reasonable size car.

Easier to dissassemble and reassemble with an extra pair of hands though as it is all pretty heavy !

Cheers, Paul :D
 
fantaglub":sbw5whtw said:
The problem with the sliding table is it can be slightly inaccurate because of the many parts of it that sometimes get loose or so... I dont know exactly the reasons, I dont have such a saw but it's something I read often with sliding tables.

with the deft, you have almost the same sliding table function with a panel cutting sled that uses the miter track as a guide.

lrg_panel_sled.jpg

Can't say I agree with you there. Anything sliding in a mitre-gauge slot (t-slot) will be "slightly" (how do you define slightly?) inaccurate as it must have a little play in order to slide. How much or little play will depend on the length of the piece that runs in the slot and how accurately it was machined.

By contrast, a proper sliding table, properly set-up, should have zero (as far as woodworking tolerances are concerned) play as it runs on precision bearings and rails. The table on my SICAR combi will produce a cut with less than 0.4mm difference over the length of a 500mm piece (max length of cut), not bad for a 25 year old machine that I've only setup with a set-square and straight-edge (I will buy or borrow a DTI at some point and set it properly).

You do have to maintain machines and check/reset alignment from time to time.

The Casadei panel saw at work manages less than 1mm over a 3 metre length (6m sliding table). Ok, that's 10k worth of machine, but it's in daily use and rarely needs adjusting.


Sliding tables seem to be a love-it/hate-it thing...


In my opinion, they're not just a useful form of cutting guide, but an essential safety feature. Right hand on the toolpost or trailing edge of the table, left hand holding the workpiece against the table fence (even if it's clamped) or on the leading edge of the table or clamping piece if a small piece, no hands anywhere near the blade and no risk of hands going anywhere near the blade even if you should trip. The table rails further prevent you from standing in or moving into the region behind the blade, so there is less risk from a kickback. Finally, if the piece is clamped to the sliding table there is much less chance of it going flying even if a kickback should occur, generally the worst that happens is that the table is shunted back towards you a bit. Some machines even have a brake to prevent the table moving backwards in this situation.

They're by no means perfect, in particular they tend to get in the way when ripping, or generally when cutting pieces longer than the table's travel, but these are small downsides in my opinion and generally overcome without too much difficulty (though you might have to check the table alignment after removing and replacing it).

I certainly am very apprehensive about making any cuts without the sliding table and generally look for another way to do the job if possible, just doesn't feel as safe.



RE the photo: Crown guard? Riving knife? Hold-downs? Where will you be if the workpiece kicks back?
 
Steve (Correze)":22tltvop said:
RE the photo: Crown guard? Riving knife? Hold-downs? Where will you be if the workpiece kicks back?

In america.

Don't see why you need a cross cut sled if you have a good mitre gauge.
 
Hi all. I have the deft t30. For panel cutting I use the fence set to the right hand side of the blade and can cut up to 750mm. The left hand side gives me a table of 500mm.
I use a Jessem mitre gauge for great accuracy but only gives me 320mm in front of the blade.
Using the right hand mitre slot and pushing the panel through with the mitre gauge gives more.
I had the Record ts200 saw and one of its drawbacks for me was the sliding carriage being so narrow the workpiece was very unbalanced.
I think a sliding carriage is only any good if it has a trailing arm to take the weight of a workpiece.
I'd love one but dont have the space. The deft also takes a dado !
 
I must be the odd one out..but I use my kity sliding carriage all the time.
So long as the blade is perpendicular, its repeatable and cuts square.
It can be taken off in a couple of seconds as well.
The angle facility is hit and miss, but for 90 deg square cuts its great.

Mike
 

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