Coronavirus

[lurker]

Who Are these “they” you people want to do all these extra tests?
The Fairies from the bottom of the garden?
Medics who are concentrating on seriously ill people to take samples instead?
Medical scientists to perform the tests instead of life saving tests?
All other life threatening illnesses have not suddenly gone away.

 

[MikeG.]

.......Doesn't anybody REALLY believe that at least the professionals (forget the politicos of ALL stripes) aren't doing the very very best they can?........

Personally, I think they're all doing a pretty amazing job .......yes, including the politicians.......in really unique circumstances.

 

[AES]

Yeah, you're right MikeG, I stand corrected, the politicos are also doing whatever they believe to be the best. I withdraw that comment. Though in slight mitigation of my earlier comment I have seen A LIITLE bit of political points scoring on BBC TV News (and ours too unfortunately). Definitely an unprecedented situation though.

 

[Jake]

. Doesn't anybody REALLY believe that at least the professionals (forget the politicos of ALL stripes) aren't doing the very very best they can?

Mostly so (I am going to except from that the Imperial College team whose completely negligent modelling took us down the reckless path we have taken, and Whitty and Vallance for not being honest about that fiasco after it came to light, and their team for not auditing the modelling adequately), but they are constrained by the politicos. The professionals (outside civil service loyalty) are also rightly screaming at the government here (and in the States) to get their act together and have been for weeks/months.

 

[MusicMan]

I'm pretty certain I've got it. I spent yesterday and this morning alternately shivering then sweating, have had a low level headache since Tuesday lunchtime, feel achy and lethargic, and worst of all, my damn eyeballs hurt. Moving them is a real pain. My kidneys ache too. There's something going on in my chest, as a quick breath in leads to a bit of a coughing fit, but at the moment I'm not coughing much. My wife has finally accepted that we're in isolation. Having said all that, I've felt much worse in the past with ordinary winter flu, and the guy I caught it from who is a few days ahead of me is feeling much better already. I'm not up to a proper project in the workshop, but I'm going to have a bit of a tidy up and sort out later, and maybe fiddle with my planer guard.

All the best for a good recovery, Mike.

 

[AES]

. Doesn't anybody REALLY believe that at least the professionals (forget the politicos of ALL stripes) aren't doing the very very best they can?

Mostly so (I am going to except from that the Imperial College team whose completely negligent modelling took us down the reckless path we have taken, and Whitty and Vallance for not being honest about that fiasco after it came to light, and their team for not auditing the modelling adequately)quote]

REALLY Jake? You're certainly closer to IC than I am (geographically at least) but are you seriously suggesting they deliberately set out just to "get their sums wrong"? Surely it's far more likely that with the best will in the world, and especially with all the "unknown factor Xs" which have to be "best guessed" into the final equations, it's far more likely that someone (several people actually) made some genuine mistakes/miscalculations?

I've never met anyone who hasn't made some mistakes in his/her professional life, sometimes pretty serious ones. And that includes me!

AND don't forget the time (and no doubt political/time) pressures all these "back room people" MUST have been working under for the last few weeks/months.

As I say, perhaps you KNOW better than I do, but overall, while I'll happily accept that mistakes have been made, and even that some unnecessary delays have maybe resulted, overall I think "we" (i.e. all of us) aren't doing too badly in the face of what is genuinely an unprecedented situation.


I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[FatmanG]

Who Are these “they” you people want to do all these extra tests?
The Fairies from the bottom of the garden?
Medics who are concentrating on seriously ill people to take samples instead?
Medical scientists to perform the tests instead of life saving tests?
All other life threatening illnesses have not suddenly gone away.

Fair point I hadn't thought of that.

 

[FatmanG]

I think the measures I've just heard from Boris et all are incredible, unprecedented and amazing. We are in a big fight and I genuinely wish everyone all the best.
FG

 

[Jake]

I am going to give the govt credit on the economic side. Today was much more like the package that is going to be needed.

 

[Trevanion]

I don't want to get political, but I'll probably be paying for it for the rest of my life.

 

[Phil Pascoe]

From elsewhere -
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/03/19/1 ... 8-97879283

 

[Phil Pascoe]

I don't want to get political, but I'll probably be paying for it for the rest of my life.

We'll ... our ...

 

[Nigel Burden]

My wife has just come in from work, (kitchen staff in a nursing home), rang the door bell, I opened the door to be greeted with, "Don't touch me, I'm in isolation." Apparently one of the residents is showing symptoms despite visits being stopped last week. She hasn't been near this resident, but the owner has put her into isolation as a precaution at home until further notice, possibly as early as tomorrow once they know the results of the test on the resident. Some staff will be in isolation in the home.

Nigel.

 

[Lons]

I have several members of my family directly in the firing line including one in a London hospital and the last thing we need are so called experts sitting in an armchair criticising the professionals including medical, scientific and MPs who are making decisions under advisement to the best of their ability while under great pressure of time and with precious little information ( relatively ).
Unfortunately those of us who unlike medical staff have time on our hands to sit at home on google and social media then post biased comments on that need either to shut up or get out into the community and do something to help!

This situation is unprecedented and to see the tw*ts stripping shelves and ignoring social distancing are putting those doctors, nurses and support staff even more in danger if they can't eat properly because while they're at work trying to keep people alive the selfish idiots leave nothing for them to buy when they come off shift exhausted but needing to shop. That video of a nurse in tears says it all and I've seen similar just this week from a very stressed family member.

The most important people to test imo are the medical staff, above even patients coming into hospital because by then it's pretty obvious what they're afflicted with while if medical staff are infected without showing symptoms they'll spread it where you least want it!
For everyone else according to reports you're going to have a good idea you have it when it comes and a test will make absolutely no difference to you and while it does help in understanding the virus it's a case of priorities.

People are basically dickhe*ds! My 92 year old MIL is in a care home, she has numerous health issues as do many of the other residents and the care home quite rightly informed all families that no visitors will be allowed or residents to leave the premises unless a medical emergency. The home set up a website with pics and videos showing what they're doing to care for and entertain the old folk but they've been inundated with abusive 'phone calls and visitors demanding access! Beggars belief. :roll:

 

[Cheshirechappie]

I don't want to get political, but I'll probably be paying for it for the rest of my life.

I see what you're saying, and sympathise. But 'the rest of their life' could be very short indeed for an awful lot of vulnerable people (and not so vulnerable) if they contract it.

Is this the right approach or the wrong one? Don't know. Don't suppose anyone knows. Don't think we'll know until years after the event when we can all (hopefully all of us) look back with twenty-twenty hindsight.

But .... all pubs, clubs and restaurants closing their doors until further notice.

Strewth. Just ..... strewth.

 

[Jake]

I don't want to get political, but I'll probably be paying for it for the rest of my life.

You'd be paying for it the rest of your life anyway if the government just sat back and let the economy wreck itself catastrophically. They aren't doing it for fun.

Plus the projected alternative is at least 1.5m dead.

 

[Nigel Burden]

I don't want to get political, but I'll probably be paying for it for the rest of my life.

Just to put thing in perspective.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o ... ed_Kingdom

Nigel.

 

[MikeG.]

My wife has just come in from work, (kitchen staff in a nursing home), rang the door bell, I opened the door to be greeted with, "Don't touch me, I'm in isolation." Apparently one of the residents is showing symptoms despite visits being stopped last week. She hasn't been near this resident, but the owner has put her into isolation as a precaution at home until further notice, possibly as early as tomorrow once they know the results of the test on the resident. Some staff will be in isolation in the home.

Nigel.

Damn. Sorry to hear this, and hope she's OK.

 

[Nigel Burden]

My wife has just come in from work, (kitchen staff in a nursing home), rang the door bell, I opened the door to be greeted with, "Don't touch me, I'm in isolation." Apparently one of the residents is showing symptoms despite visits being stopped last week. She hasn't been near this resident, but the owner has put her into isolation as a precaution at home until further notice, possibly as early as tomorrow once they know the results of the test on the resident. Some staff will be in isolation in the home.

Nigel.

Damn. Sorry to hear this, and hope she's OK.

Thank's Mike.

I think she's probably ok. She went in to work at for 4pm. The ambulance was called at 5pm. Fortunately she hadn't had contact wit the resident, but, she'd had contact with one of the carers who had.

Being selfish, this means that I might have to go shopping with daughter and son tomorrow and I'm prone to trolley rage. :twisted: At least it'll be Waitrose not Tesco or Asda.

Nigel.

 

[Bm101]

Let's have a bit of leeway on this thread. Its well mannered but these are remarkable times for all of us. Some patience and understanding for others posting that might be taking some time to take it all in. God knows I am re examining my world pov. I have gone from a 6 day week to I don't even know if I'm being paid. Nevermindd how the world will look in 3 months. I'm not alone but one of millions. All certainty has been removed and it will hit some hard. Keep strong and remember the long term and that others might not have your experience of life or order or will.

Be nice people. Best regards as always.
Chris