Climate change policy

[DrPhill]

. I looked very hard to try and find Jacob's beloved 'Upper class'. Not there.

You need help with your search skills:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_class

 

[ey_tony]

We are so grateful!
Yes and the better off pay for private health care in order to relieve the public sector.
Or shop in Harrods to avoid getting in our way as we wander desperately around Aldi.
Or holiday in far away places in order not to overcrowd the beach in Skegness.
.......a very silly list possible here!
Drive around in BMWs in order to leave cycle lanes less crowded?
Any more suggestions anybody?

And untalented people with wealth and privilege are elevated into positions of power and responsibility far beyond their intellects and ability. Johnson, Cameron, Fartrage spring to mind. Another list of complete s**theads possible here!

You seem obsessed with people who were privately educated, seeing private education as a vehicle upon which to better one's life and yet currently, the second most powerful politician in this government comes from a very humble background indeed after leaving school with very little by way of academic achievement and yet it hasn't held good old Angela back now has it?

It makes an absolute mockery of your prejudiced left wing perspective as she didn't need the benefit of a private education to achieve her role as deputy PM which proves that with ambition and aspiration one can achieve most things in life if prepared to work hard for them so all this public school hatred you display is just plain old left wing bigotry and envy.

 

[Terry - Somerset]

We are so grateful!
Yes and the better off pay for private health care in order to relieve the public sector.
Or shop in Harrods to avoid getting in our way as we wander desperately around Aldi.
Or holiday in far away places in order not to overcrowd the beach in Skegness.
.......a very silly list possible here!
Drive around in BMWs in order to leave cycle lanes less crowded?
Any more suggestions anybody?

And untalented people with wealth and privilege are elevated into positions of power and responsibility far beyond their intellects and ability. Johnson, Cameron, Fartrage spring to mind. Another list of complete s**theads possible here!

The resentment is clear. Parents understandably want the best education for their children. Those who can afford it, pay.

State secondary funding is ~£7500 pa per pupil. Private school fees are an average of £18000 pa - with considerable variation around that. Private schools have smaller class sizes, extra tutoring for those less gifted, better facilities (sports, arts etc) unaffordable by the state sector.

Overall private materially outperforms state in exam results, and I suspect in preparing kids (social skills etc) for subsequent careers. State schools may be excellent, add more value, etc, but without more funding are unlikely to deliver equal/better output.

That some are able to shop at Harrods, drive BMWs, take fancy holidays, live in big houses simply evidences a capacity to pay for something better or more desirable. The definition of envy is resentment or sadness at another's good fortune or excellence, with an often insatiable desire to have it for oneself. Usually regarded as an unpleasant characteristic.

Suggesting some politicians by virtue of their education privilege and money are elevated to positions far beyond their intellect and ability is ridiculous.

It seems unlikely it evidences of some sort of intellectual genetic deficiency compared to the state educated as they or their ancestors must have had some exceptional talent to so thrive.

Mostly they get there because they are better educated, with better developed skills. You are at liberty to (of course) disagree with their political views.

 

[woodieallen]

You need help with your search skills:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_class

I was referring to your little chart you linked to in post 550. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_class

 

[Scruples]

When I looked the other day only 14% of the electricity consumed in the UK was Fossil Fuel (Gas) the rest was mostly Wind plus Nuclear and some Solar. Far better though to have that 14% pollution away from ground level in our towns and cities to be breathed in by the public?

They do but that’s changing. Actually, if you look at a well designed car like a Tesla Model 3 you’ll see it weighs about the same as a comparable size Mercedes or BMW. In fact it can be a few pounds less than some Diesel models. EV’s like Tesla’s also produce much less brake dust (also a problem) than ICE vehicles due to regeneration.

Of course nobody ever complained about big heavy polluting cars like Range Rovers causing road damage and tyre pollution. I read a while ago than in spite of tighter emission regulations in Europe, pollution actually went up due to both cars and engines getting bigger and heavier.

I did read that some councils are getting concerned about the weight of EVs in multi-storey car parks. It could result in fewer spaces to limit the weight per floor. That EVs are still evolving is obvious. but we could do with some serious leaps in battery design or hydrogen power before I'll change my petrol ICE.

 

[Jacob]

Suggesting some politicians by virtue of their education privilege and money are elevated to positions far beyond their intellect and ability is ridiculous.

Politicians most obviously, just think Johnson, Cameron, for starters! Also seems to be a feature of law and finance.

.... The definition of envy is resentment or sadness at another's good fortune or excellence, with an often insatiable desire to have it for oneself. Usually regarded as an unpleasant characteristic.
....

But more forgivable than greed and self-righteousness.
Envy isn't the issue, however often it is trotted out by the complacent and smug.
The problems are homelessness, unemployment, illness, poor living conditions, exploitation....etc, and how to resolve them.

 

[John Brown]

The resentment is clear. Parents understandably want the best education for their children. Those who can afford it, pay.

State secondary funding is ~£7500 pa per pupil. Private school fees are an average of £18000 pa - with considerable variation around that. Private schools have smaller class sizes, extra tutoring for those less gifted, better facilities (sports, arts etc) unaffordable by the state sector.

Overall private materially outperforms state in exam results, and I suspect in preparing kids (social skills etc) for subsequent careers. State schools may be excellent, add more value, etc, but without more funding are unlikely to deliver equal/better output.

That some are able to shop at Harrods, drive BMWs, take fancy holidays, live in big houses simply evidences a capacity to pay for something better or more desirable. The definition of envy is resentment or sadness at another's good fortune or excellence, with an often insatiable desire to have it for oneself. Usually regarded as an unpleasant characteristic.

Suggesting some politicians by virtue of their education privilege and money are elevated to positions far beyond their intellect and ability is ridiculous.

It seems unlikely it evidences of some sort of intellectual genetic deficiency compared to the state educated as they or their ancestors must have had some exceptional talent to so thrive.

Mostly they get there because they are better educated, with better developed skills. You are at liberty to (of course) disagree with their political views.

I can't talk for all the left-leaning contributors to this thread(although I suspect some would agree with me), but while I rail against the rampant inequality in this country, it has nothing to do with personal envy. I live in a fairly large, character dwelling in the Cotswolds AONB, with a sizeable paddock for the grandchildren to play in. I have no desire to shop at Harrods, nor to drive BMWs, although I could if it meant that much to me. I'm nowhere near sea level, so not in imminent danger from rising oceans. So I'm alright, Jack, but that doesn't blind me to the fact that the dice are loaded in favour of the rich, and that inequality is increasing.
It has, I repeat, nothing to do with personal envy.

 

[Chris152]

 

[Jacob]

I can't talk for all the left-leaning contributors to this thread(although I suspect some would agree with me), but while I rail against the rampant inequality in this country, it has nothing to do with personal envy. I live in a fairly large, character dwelling in the Cotswolds AONB, with a sizeable paddock for the grandchildren to play in. I have no desire to shop at Harrods, nor to drive BMWs, although I could if it meant that much to me. I'm nowhere near sea level, so not in imminent danger from rising oceans. So I'm alright, Jack, but that doesn't blind me to the fact that the dice are loaded in favour of the rich, and that inequality is increasing.
It has, I repeat, nothing to do with personal envy.

Well exactly. I'm not hard up either, or envious, beyond being slightly pi ssed off about property prices meaning that I've never had a good work space for long which I could afford.
In fact property prices/rents must keep down a lot of potential money making start ups, particularly in woodwork & joinery where a relatively small low profit operation needs a good deal of space.
If economic "growth" is what the country needs then collapsing land/property prices/rents could be the trigger and free up a lot of talent and assets. Could help the homeless. But it'd upset a lot of landlords and other parasites.

 

[selectortone]

Bah! Humbug!

 

[Jacob]

Bah! Humbug!

That Tiny Tim Cratchit! Envious little ******* - should have snapped out of it and got a job. He was thin enough to make a perfect chimney sweep!

 

[DrPhill]

The resentment is clear. Parents understandably want the best education for their children. Those who can afford it, pay.

State secondary funding is ~£7500 pa per pupil. Private school fees are an average of £18000 pa - with considerable variation around that. Private schools have smaller class sizes, extra tutoring for those less gifted, better facilities (sports, arts etc) unaffordable by the state sector.

Overall private materially outperforms state in exam results, and I suspect in preparing kids (social skills etc) for subsequent careers. State schools may be excellent, add more value, etc, but without more funding are unlikely to deliver equal/better output.

That some are able to shop at Harrods, drive BMWs, take fancy holidays, live in big houses simply evidences a capacity to pay for something better or more desirable. The definition of envy is resentment or sadness at another's good fortune or excellence, with an often insatiable desire to have it for oneself. Usually regarded as an unpleasant characteristic.

Suggesting some politicians by virtue of their education privilege and money are elevated to positions far beyond their intellect and ability is ridiculous.

It seems unlikely it evidences of some sort of intellectual genetic deficiency compared to the state educated as they or their ancestors must have had some exceptional talent to so thrive.

Mostly they get there because they are better educated, with better developed skills. You are at liberty to (of course) disagree with their political views.

I am reasonably well off too. I am educated to post doc level in one discipline and to HNC in my second career (which made more money than the first).

I was educated in a public school at the expense of the state. It would have fitted me well for a life in the upper echelons of society if I wanted - I could have networked my way easily from there. That didn’t attract me.

I too could now own a big house and car if I wanted, but I don’t want to. I have chosen where I live to minimise my impact on the planet / and plan to get rid of my car.

I would like to see a more equal society where every child is able to take their skills and aptitude as far as possible.

Mine are not the politics of envy but of hope. I look upon the excessive wealth and privilege of the ‘top’ of society with disgust, not desire.

 

[Jacob]

Some expensive wines going down, is this trickle down theory in action?

 

[Ozi]

This had the making of a good thread ...sigh off to joke thread 47, might even go out into the workshop.

 

[Lons]

This had the making of a good thread ...sigh off to joke thread 47, might even go out into the workshop.

This is the joke thread.

 

[Sideways]

It seems to have nothing of note to do with climate change of late so thread now closed.
As a heads up, in the new year, please keep party politics strictly in Off Topic 2 or expect to be moderated.
Merry Christmas all !