Climate change policy

[Blackswanwood]

I've heard all this virtue signaling rubbish put out by the Greenfreaks before and it just doesn't wash!

Achieving net zero is going to seriously impact on ordinary people's lives if introduced too quickly, it will also make the UK's industries uncompetitive if we follow a faster track toward net zero than other nations with which we compete.

I can't see any of the nations on the list I gave that will hamstring their own economies and industries in order to achieve some magic arbitrary figure by a specific date that our government seems to think will be the date after which the world will end if we haven't reached net zero before that date.

We saw what Germany did when it was still buying Russian oil and gas after Russia invaded Ukraine...they were big on lip service about sanctions on Russia but they weren't prepared to cut ties with Russian energy until they were ready as it would have affected their economy which is why I can't see any of the countries on that list achieving net zero by the 2050 deadline.
They will protect their own interests and we should as a nation do the same.

As I said, you’ve missed the point.

Predictable opening with the insults though

 

[Chris152]

Achieving net zero is going to seriously impact on ordinary people's lives if introduced too quickly

I don't think anyone on here is arguing that the reduction of fossil fuel use should be immediate, but rather at the fastest possible rate. A few pages ago you mentioned Just Stop Oil - even they are proposing a date of 2030. UK govt seems to be aiming for 2050 for net zero on carbon.

You seem to look for the most extreme position, often one you've imagined, then attack it. I've not ready anyone on here suggesting we stop use of fossil fuels immediately, nor even by 2030. I'd imagine the transition will cause many difficulties along the way, but none anywhere nearly as great as if we don't work through them and cut emissions and mitigate manmade climate change.

 

[Scruples]

Can’t say I’ve noticed a decline in “clever people”. Have you?

Perhaps you're not clever enough to notice?

 

[RobinBHM]

I really don't share your blinkered views

Tony have you ever considered your views might be a weeny bit er, you know um blinkered.

I can’t decide if your posts are serious or rather clever Johnathan Pie satire.

 

[Yorkieguy]

Discuss climate change policy by all means. If we can't keep political slanging out of it this goes to OT2.

Spot on.

For goodness sake just read the Global Rules on posting standards and self-moderate or yet again, this will be another thread destined to be a name-calling slanging match till the moderators pull the plug. The first sentence in the first post of this thread not only risks inviting adverse comments, but inciting them.

It's yet another off-topic thread destined to generate more heat than light:

https://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/threads/global-forum-rules.124302/

The moderators have enough on their plate as it is.

David.

 

[RobinBHM]

Spot on.

For goodness sake just read the Global Rules on posting standards and self-moderate or yet again, this will be another thread destined to be a name-calling slanging match till the moderators pull the plug. The first sentence in the first post of this thread not only risks inviting adverse comments, but inciting them.

It's yet another off-topic thread destined to generate more heat than light:

https://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/threads/global-forum-rules.124302/

The moderators have enough on their plate as it is.

David.

Sadly many people aren’t interested in a debate where we all learn, they just want to repeat their well worn opinions.

Climate change is a very important subject which will impact our lives a lot, it’s a shame we can’t just have a meaningful debate.

I personally find forum debates a place where I learn a huge amount, because opposing views force me to consider my own understanding and bias. And this forum has people from a huge range of backgrounds, so it’s a great community.

 

[Yorkieguy]

Correct, a smart phone is similar in behaviour to a cat in that they take control and you become their servant. Odd thing is that I have always worked in technology, electrical / electronics and other engineering fields and kept as far as possible work and living separate but these phones are just like having an implant and it seems they become your life. No one can say they are not addictive but at last people are realising they are damaging kids education as well as removing any chance of a proper childhood as they have everything good, bad and ugly at there fingertips so things we would never have known or worried about are now in there face.

This poem says it all:

 

[Croolis]

This poem says it all:

That's the saddest thing I ever read . That's set me up for the day, cheers

 

[ey_tony]

Tony have you ever considered your views might be a weeny bit er, you know um blinkered.

I can’t decide if your posts are serious or rather clever Johnathan Pie satire.

On the contrary Robin, far from being blinkered and toeing lines set by people who clearly haven't fully thought things through properly, I've actually shed any potential blinkers and actually looked at what the reality of these lines spell for ordinary people! You might try the same.

All actions have consequences no matter how well meaning and intended they may have been initially and while I have no objection to attaining this net zero target at some point, my protestations are primarily to do with timing.
It's not the target, it's the timing which will be the UK's undoing.