Chisels for a newbie

[Anonymous]

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I am quite capable of cutting accurately straight off a machine as the following pics show.

well there you go then, I knew you could do it!

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be nice to see some of your work posted on the forum - Rob

There's some on my website if you want to look. I'll post up pics of door I'm doing at the moment, at some point.

cheers
Jacob[/quote]

 

[bugbear]

There's some on my website if you want to look. I'll post up pics of door I'm doing at the moment, at some point.

Never looked at your website before.

So, you're mainly doing joinery, in North European (usually Swedish) redwood, intended to be painted.

This gives a context within which your statements on technique can be placed.

BugBear

 

[Anonymous]

duplicated for some reason

 

[Anonymous]

There's some on my website if you want to look. I'll post up pics of door I'm doing at the moment, at some point.

Never looked at your website before.

So, you're mainly doing joinery, in North European (usually Swedish) redwood, intended to be painted.

This gives a context within which your statements on technique can be placed.

BugBear

You could also take the "context within which your statements" etc. as from a base of ruthless practicality - no time to faff about with elaborate hobbyist sharpening systems frinstance, no great interest in tool "quality" except insofar as they are useful and useable etc.
Actually I do other work besides redwood joinery so I am aware of the differences. Bit of everything over the years.
What sort of stuff do you do or is it just the tools? Can't remember seeing any actual woodwork on your website.

cheers
Jacob

 

[bugbear]

What sort of stuff do you do or is it just the tools? Can't remember seeing any actual woodwork on your website.

I strive to learn as much as possible about tools. Feel free to view statements from me bearing that in mind.

BugBear

 

[Anonymous]

What sort of stuff do you do or is it just the tools? Can't remember seeing any actual woodwork on your website.

I strive to learn as much as possible about tools. Feel free to view statements from me bearing that in mind.

BugBear

So, you're not doing much woodwork at all? :shock: :shock:

This gives a context within which your statements on technique can be placed. :lol: :lol:

Sorry Bugbear couldn't resist :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Actually I find the many contributions from theoretical woodworkers very interesting and useful (seriously). I read them avidly before I go off and do things my way. :lol: :lol:

cheers
Jacob

 

[bugbear]

So, you're not doing much woodwork at all?

This gives a context within which your statements on technique can be placed.

Sorry Bugbear couldn't resist :lol: :lol:

Actually I find the many contributions from theoretical woodworkers very interesting and useful (seriously). I read them avidly before I go off and do things my way.

cheers
Jacob

The great thing about being an amateur is we can spend as much time/effort/money as we like (or have) doing whatever interests us or takes our fancy, without having to justify it in cost/benefits terms.

BugBear

 

[Anonymous]

how do the edges hold up on those axminster ones Jacob?

OK so far but too soon to say really.
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Have had a good go with the axminster cheapoids and they are OK. Hold an edge as good as average, no prob.
The backs have visible machine marks, not deep, which could keep a crazy sharpener happily employed for several hours, but for woodworking purpose are quite tolerable - though you could get the best of both worlds with a quick application of candle wax if you are dong the sort of cut where it matters.
I don't like the 2 tone handles - vaguely reminiscent of a cheap n nasty shell suit, but think of the money you save - £200 cheaper than a set of lee& nelson crumblies! You could buy a lot of wood with that!

cheers
Jacob

 

[ByronBlack]

how do the edges hold up on those axminster ones Jacob?

OK so far but too soon to say really.
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Have had a good go with the axminster cheapoids and they are OK. Hold an edge as good as average, no prob.
The backs have visible machine marks, not deep, which could keep a crazy sharpener happily employed for several hours, but for woodworking purpose are quite tolerable - though you could get the best of both worlds with a quick application of candle wax if you are dong the sort of cut where it matters.
I don't like the 2 tone handles - vaguely reminiscent of a cheap n nasty shell suit, but think of the money you save - £200 cheaper than a set of lee& nelson crumblies! You could buy a lot of wood with that!

cheers
Jacob

Jacob If your going to be such a smart-*** atleast get the price correct. Your 'Lee and Nelson' chisels are £187, here's the link if you would like to take a look at a quality tool: Axminster

So not sure where you get '£200 cheaper' from.

Why is that you have such a downer on anyone wishing to use quality tools? Is it because you can't afford them yourself, or that you don't have the skills to make quality hand-made furniture?? I'm only asking because you really seem to have quite a grievence, and it's intriuging as to why.

 

[Colin C]

BB

I think you been a bit hard there to say it nicely but I do understand what you are saying [-X

I see it on whole the same way that Jacob does in a lot of ways but not as bad ( I think its the best way I can put it )

Most of my chisels are old Marples ( I have been lucky ) but I do have a set of black handled Stanley of with I am happy ( for site work ).

Good luck to anyone that can buy LN or some at that price but I get all my work dont with what I have and find it hard to think that some one will spend that sort of money on them :?
Regards Colin

 

[Adam]

Chaps. This is a gentle reminder. Please stay absolutely on-topic or we'll lock it. These personal comments add absolutely nothing to the forum. Please consider the actual original posting if you wish to add any further replies.

If you want to bicker, please continue via a different medium. Why not email, or PM or ring each other up either way, please cease these side swipes.

Adam

 

[David C]

Colin,

I fully understand the need to get the job done with what one can afford, or feels one needs. Those old black Stanley's were what I started with and were really quite good.

What really irritates me is someone who constantly repeats prejudices about tools which he probably has not even laid hands on, let alone used.

Paring or chopping of hard exotics with specific gravity above 1.0, is when one will discover something about the quality and hardness of a chisel.

I thought BB was masterfully restrained, given the provocation, which I find unhelpful. (That last phrase has been heavily self censored).

David

 

[Colin C]

Colin,

What really irritates me is someone who constantly repeats prejudices about tools which he probably has not even laid hands on, let alone used.

Paring or chopping of hard exotics with specific gravity above 1.0, is when one will discover something about the quality and hardness of a chisel.

I thought BB was masterfully restrained, given the provocation, which I find unhelpful. (That last phrase has been heavily self censored).

David

David

I do agree with your point about the prejudices as I have also used some chisels that did not preform well when used with exotic timbers.

I have also helped a young carpenter get a sharper edge to his chisels ( new Marples ), that had a very poor grinding marks on the backs.

He could not work out why he could not get then sharp and this was after talking to his collage teacher :shock:

I stopped it right away and he is happier but I think makers of some tools very stepped away from the good tools they made they names on

Regards Colin

 

[ByronBlack]

Colin,

I fully understand the need to get the job done with what one can afford, or feels one needs. Those old black Stanley's were what I started with and were really quite good.

What really irritates me is someone who constantly repeats prejudices about tools which he probably has not even laid hands on, let alone used.

Paring or chopping of hard exotics with specific gravity above 1.0, is when one will discover something about the quality and hardness of a chisel.

I thought BB was masterfully restrained, given the provocation, which I find unhelpful. (That last phrase has been heavily self censored).

David

David, thanks for the support on that issue. It's nothing personal with Grimsdale, I just get irked when there is constant belittling of techniques/tools/approaches when there is little evidence provided to the contrary or comparisons made.

Anyway, I apparently have upset a few people with my comments, so i'll duck out of this thread now and make a point of trying to be less of an irritant.

 

[Colin C]

BB

I for one have not been upset ( to thick for that :roll: ) but I understand your reactions to this.

Now I have had a rant, lets get back on topic

Mods I am slapping my hand as you read this.

 

[Anonymous]

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there is little evidence provided to the contrary or comparisons made.

Byron

You obviously haven't read the thread.
Evidence and comparisons were precisely what I was offering - a brief review of the evidence from using a cheap set of chisels, and a comparison with the price of the most expensive.
Go back and read it again Byron :roll: :roll: :roll:

cheers
Jacob

 

[ByronBlack]

Jacob

I must not be reading correctly, but where in your posts do you compare the use of the cheaper chisels to the 'actual' use of a Lie Nielsen chisel, and where in your posts do your provide any constructive analysis of the tools in reference to there positive or negative attributes in a variety of woodworking tasks.. hmm, I took a re-read and can't see that, sorry.

Hence I stand by my opinion that for the a beginner, a good quality tool will be more beneficial and provide better results.

 

[Alf]

Just had a sudden urge to post that. Can't think why...

 

[Colin C]

Just had a sudden urge to post that. Can't think why...

=D>

 

[ByronBlack]

Troll feeding is a hard thing to avoid - just so tempting, but I get the message, and will go and watch some video's on African Land Snails.. (link is in the general forum if anyone is interest.. it's also a good and handy site with videos on 'how to do anything'.. )