Byrons Official Workshop Build Thread

[ByronBlack]

I'm not dismissing the comment, I feel its plenty strong enough considering the very low amount of snow and rain in this area, the roof boards are also light so it's not supporting a great deal of weight, so it's staying as it is.

 

[Johnboy]

Have to agree with the comments about the rafters Byron. If it is strong enough why didn't you just use 3 x 2's for the rafters in the first place? For the minimal cost and time to fit either joist hangers or a supporting beam along the wall isn't it worth it for the peace of mind?

Great job so far and mind your back.

John

 

[JFC]

Yeah im sure your right Byron , These calculations that are set by governing bodies are overkill anyway . I mean how much mass weight can build up over such a small area eh . I suppose it doesn't get to windy where you are either so you wont have to worry about wind shear .
I always work to the rule that a birdsmouth under 32 degrees is a notch and is then weakening the timbers structure but now i know that national external forces don't apply to certain areas i can stop using firring pieces . :wink: :lol:

 

[OLD]

Byron you now Inspector is correct you have the materials it will not take long your just tired 'get it done' but as part of the internal fitting out work when its all waterproof and your pains have subsided its just good engineering .

 

[mel]

hi all ,
we have already disscused the issue and approached the problem , on saturday .
we came up with
1 drill a hole through and fit a suitable bolt {M10} to prevent any split
2 you could also use a nail plate , as used in rafter construction
3 it could be supported from underneath as you all suggest
4 joist hangers could be used

at the time of my visit i didnt want to interfere with what byron was doing , however lack of confidence was preventing his progress , so we got chatting about how he could get the roof on with the materiels that he had. there wasnt enough timber to cut firring lats.
i was only at his house for 2 1/2 hrs , but at least he had the confidence to carry on . keep smiling mate it will all come together

incidently, my neighbours shed roof is made of 2x2 for the rafters and when i get my health back {following operation on my back} we are going to sort it out . it certainly wouldnt stand a heavy snow load

still not wanting to interefere , but i did wish that i had my tools with me as i do love the hands on approach

mel

 

[Inspector]

Byron
It was never my intention add to your stress level or inhibit your progress and if I did, I apologize. And as mel has clarified the circumstances around the roof I almost wish I hadn't said anything, but I did so with the best of intentions and so that others could learn too. Not being in your shoes makes it hard to know what you have already looked at and considered with each decision made.Therefore our comments come as a result of only what you have been generously posted. Keep going as the end result will be worth all the hard work and never ending decisions.
Inspector.

 

[WellsWood]

Sorry to be another malcontent BB, but I've got to add my shout to that of Inspectors': a 6x2 with a 3" notch is effectively a 3x2 rafter. It's not the weight of any snow that concerns me, rather the fact that you (and probably a helper) are going to have to stand on it to lay the felt.
To make it safe to do this the rafters need to be supported under the full depth of the timber where it meets both walls, and a plate nailed the wall adjacent to the notches would be a simple and effective solution.

It's your WS, and your shout at the end of the day, but it'd be a shame to delay the completion after doing so well because you were layed up with a broken leg (or god forbid worse).

Incidentally, when comes time to felt the roof you may find this helpful.

Mark

 

[ByronBlack]

Thanks for all the comments,

JFC - really no need for sarcastic responses, espeically as you don't know all the facts regarding the situation.

Inspector - No worries mate, appreciate the input.

MarkW - thanks for the link to the felt laying, that will be handy when I get to that stage.

Mel - Thanks for the support. Hopefully rain will stop today and I can get on and get some more work done, back to work fulltime from tomorrow, so progress will be slow.

 

[ByronBlack]

Day 12

Raining today and really p***ed off as it's my last day before I return to work and I need to get the felt up.

Anyway, despite morale and confidence being quite low this morning, I decided to just jump right in and see where it takes me.

I've managed to get all the OSB cut to size and up on the roof with a few preliminary nails to hold them in place.

I've ripped to size and installed a rear purlin - this has taken away some of the 'sway' in the frame and also provides a neat finish to the back of the workshop - also supporting the end of the roof panels.

I've installed a 3" batten on the front which will be one of a few bearers that the barge-board at the front will be attached to.

At this very stage i'm just trying to pluck up the courage of getting on the roof and shimmying across to get the rest of the nails in before I lay the felt - I don't like heights at all, so this is going to be a bit of a challenge

Photo's and summary to follow.

 

[Scrit]

I've just read through all 10 pages in a sitting...... Well done, Byron! It's really very educational to see a real life project done this way, not being a framer myself. Hope you can get it weathertight before the bad weather starts

Scrit

 

[ByronBlack]

Thanks Scrit! 10 pages must have taken you a while!

I think the bad weather has already started, we have rain and drizzel with a bit of wind all day today so far, just hope it clears on the weekend so I can get the cladding done

 

[ByronBlack]

Day 11 Summary

Rain stopped most of the work today, but still managed to make some good progress.

I got all the sheeting on the roof today (the photo below was taken earlier in the day). Got the rear pulin cut and installed aswell as some bracing on the front to receive the barge-board.

When tracey got back from work she gave me a hand on the roof, nailing all the sheet's down and getting them flat.

I've also started to add some extra bracing on the frame, and will probably double up around the doorframe and add some more diagonal pieces in the frame as i'm still gettting a bit of raking. However the rear purlin and the roof sheets now that they are attached as stiffened the structure to quite a degree.

A photo of work during the day:

Didn't have tracey to help me today, but had the next best thing as foreman (next doors cat):

Summar and final day's notes

The rain and mud combined with my low morale this morning took it's toll, and with tracey back at work the whole thing seemed quite daunting. But as usual, once work started and I got into the groove, it all seemed to fit nicely into place.

My back is gradually getting a litte worse each day, but thats due all the lifting the last few days, i've got no structural work to do until next satuday now so should have time to relax.

JFC - didn't mean to be angry towards you in the earlier thread, I apologise and appreciate your input, I was just generally in a bad mood and shouldn't have reacted the way I did.

I will be putting up a 2x4 (not sure what you call it) bracing plate? To help strengthen the joists at the shallow end.

This thread might not be updated with much structural work until next saturday, but i'll still contribute to the thread with idea's, plans etc..

 

[JFC]

No problem mate , i have the nack for winding people up :lol: Group hug ?
If your cladding the inside with boards then that will stop any racking so no need for additional bracing . You could screw a few on the outside temporarily if you have the kicking around , one on each corner should do while you work on the roof , but don't forget to add a few inside before you take them off to clad the outside .

 

[Johnboy]

Hi Byron, I am halfway through re roofing my carport and rain stopped play yesterday for me too.

Agree with JFC about the bracing. When I built my workshop it seemed a bit unstable and I was wary about climbing on the roof but once the outside and inside were clad it was rock solid.

John

 

[les chicken]

Byron

Been watching with interest you are doing very well. I would suggest a little tip for the roof. As the osb has been wetted before you put on the felt I would suggest giving it a good coat of anti rot treatment. The clear stuff from wicks at about £18 for 5litres is OK.

This will help as the roof sweats under the felt and will prolong the life of your new recreation/earning area. :wink: :wink:

Les

 

[ByronBlack]

Les - nice idea, i'll do that as I was a bit worried about the damp already in the OSB. Assuming weather is ok, I should get the rood sorted and felted on satuday.

 

[ByronBlack]

Day 12

The workshop has been playing on my mind all week since i've been back at work. Not being be able to do anything to it during this time has been frustrating. So, today was a quite today and I made my excuses and left work at mid-day. The weather was good so I decided to get stuck in and see what I could get done.

Some Pics:

1. 2x4 Support Plate being screwed into place to support the low-end of the joists as suggested:

2. A couple of supports going in to support the roof sheets and provide some extra area to screw the barge-board onto:

3. Breathable/Waterproof membrane being stapled into place before the cladding:

4. A rather dark picture, the membrane is now completed:

Summary

It was a good day today, got a lot of the more fiddly things done. I'm happier now that I don't have the tarpaulins flapping about in the wind now that the membrane is up. Although I still have a couple of tarps ont the roof protecting the OSB until I get chance to felt it.

The support plate is also now in place, and this will give extra strength to the joists where the notch has been cut, as advised by various forum members, this will help spread the weight and avoid any cracks developing.

I installed a couple of support pieces on the front joists - these give more support to the roof sheets, and also gives me an extra two locations to screw the barge board to, this was also put up although you can't see it in the picture due to the green tarp covering it.

Stapling the membrane was quite easy using the same rexon compressor and staple/nail gun as I used for the cladding. I used a craft-knife to cut it as its made of a weave which makes it difficult to cut with scissors. I purchased a 25m roll from screwfix, and probably still have about half left which i'll use on the roof to provide a water-proof barrier between the felt and the OSB.

Also, i've generally got my self more organised today, clearing away all the off-cuts, putting timbers into order and generally tidied/cleared up so that it's virtually empty inside which gives me a nice area to work in.

If I can get away with another sicky tomorrow, i'll try and get the cladding done, otherwise i'll have to tackle it over the weekend when I hope to get the roof felted - not really looking forward to that. I might see if SWMBO fancies an hour or so on the roof

 

[wizer]

looking good Byron, coming together nicely.

I noticed in the last picture you have one those multi-positional ladders. How do you find it? I was looking at one in B&Q, I like the idea of having it in platform mode.

 

[garywayne]

Hi WiZeR.

I have one of those ladders. It comes in really handy around the house. Especially painting the stair well.

I think your doing a really good job Byron, well done, and thanks for your advice.

 

[ByronBlack]

wizer - the ladder is my dad's, he got it from Costco for £39 - they do do a very similar one in B&Q for about £50 I think - really worth it I would say, i've used it so many times already, it's like having a portable scaffold platform, and it's also very useful in step-ladder mode too.