Bye bye

[kasandrich]

Obviously all traces of whatever it was have gone including the threadon another forum, but I cannot understand how a thread on another forum can cause upset on this forum and someone leaving.

I have a lot of experience of forums from both sides of the fence and sometimes you need to be a bit thick skinned, as a moderator or administrator, sometimes the only course of action is to delete an entire thread, even if that means blatting everything that someone you agree with has to say.

At the end of the day as Chems said, if maybe a little undelicately, this forum is bigger than any individual on here, and the loss of any individual/s is not really going to affect the operation of the forums. So if the dramatic leavings we have seen are an attempt at throwing the forums into turmoil, forget it, it isn't going to happen, so you may as well thicken up your skin a bit, accept that things are not always going to be perfectly in alignment with the way you would like them, and stick around and enjoy.

 

[Philly]

Obviously all traces of whatever it was have gone including the threadon another forum, but I cannot understand how a thread on another forum can cause upset on this forum and someone leaving.

I have a lot of experience of forums from both sides of the fence and sometimes you need to be a bit thick skinned, as a moderator or administrator, sometimes the only course of action is to delete an entire thread, even if that means blatting everything that someone you agree with has to say.

At the end of the day as Chems said, if maybe a little undelicately, this forum is bigger than any individual on here, and the loss of any individual/s is not really going to affect the operation of the forums. So if the dramatic leavings we have seen are an attempt at throwing the forums into turmoil, forget it, it isn't going to happen, so you may as well thicken up your skin a bit, accept that things are not always going to be perfectly in alignment with the way you would like them, and stick around and enjoy.

Well said!
Philly =D>

 

[Dibs-h]

Shame (Roger had a lot to contribute & had done so)- but as with all things, change is inevitable.

Wish you all the best!

(Roger that is, not the rest of you - I ain't going! :wink

 

[matt]

At the end of the day as Chems said, if maybe a little undelicately, this forum is bigger than any individual on here...

And, let's face it, the forum SHOULD be trivial in the grand scheme of a persons daily life but herein lies the problem for some methinks. I've no intention of offending or upsetting anyone but, if in expressing myself, I happen to do so I really can't fathom a member getting at all screwed up about it?! However, I have noted the gravity that some associate with this place and temper my posts accordingly (despite not really understnding why someone would get so bent out of shape).

 

[big soft moose]

Are these the words of a sober man?

Sober or otherwise they are foolish and, ironically, immature.

while chems was somewhat undiplomatic maybe i think that might be a little harsh - I too have very little time for anyone throwing their teddies out of their pram because of something the moderators have or havent done

at the end of the day they run the site, and give their time for free to do it, so surely the rest of should help them by keeping our posting inside the rules and not having tantrums if they delete things that stray outside of those boundaries.

anyway probably a nuff has been said on this, roger will either leave for good or come back of his own accord , and either way i'm sure the site will go on with or without his contribution.

 

[head clansman]

hi

It's all assumption why roger decided to leave so far , what's happened :?: i don't know, do any of us really know :?: sober drunk :?: , decision of the moment , or not it's his decision something has happened thats for sure to which only roger really knows why. however, Roger good luck to you , we had some bad and good comments to each other in some of the original post we shared comments in , but that don't mean i am going to leave, nor should you. I'm sure you have made as many friends here as I have. KEEP SMILING. . hc

 

[Philly]

Folks
Just to clear the air, I think we all know the policy on politics on this forum. Roger started a thread last night asking which political party you will be voting for - needless to say this was pulled. I find it hard to believe Roger was surprised at this.
Philly

 

[Max Power]

To be fair Roger did it as a poll where people could vote anonymously. But I do agree politics should be kept off the forum (unless every one agrees with me of course :lol: )

 

[RogerS]

Thank you one and all for your kind words.

For clarification.....

Yes.. I did create a straw poll asking, anonymously, which party people were voting for. We have a good cross-section of the populus and so I thought that it would have been interesting to get a feel at this particular time especially as the outcome is very much in the air.

As far as politics go, I specifically asked in the thread for no comments . Indeed, I even went so far as to ask that my initiating post was the only one in the thread to avoid debate and dissent.

Yes..we have a 'no politics' rule but surely that relates to discussion. Not a bloody straw poll. I would have thought that whichever mod removed it would have treated us as adults and let the poll run.

That's it.

 

[head clansman]

hi


politics hmm, normally a heated subject , but,take a look at all the post here that get heated from time to time on the many other forums here and end up locked for what ever reason , IMHO if it was a poll i see no problem with that nor do i really see any problem with politics being discussed on the general chat forum ( freedom of speech and all that ) after all it does say there

(For (non-woodworking related topics) - yes I know it's a scary thought but there is a life outside woodworking

doesn't that cover all subject then including politics :?: if it doesn't then perhaps that statement should be altered maybe the sooner the better. hc

 

[wizer]

Thing is. What Roger is asking for is possible. A Poll with no comments. But without input from the owner, things like this can't happen for our members.

 

[Chems]

Thank you one and all for your kind words.

For clarification.....

Yes.. I did create a straw poll asking, anonymously, which party people were voting for. We have a good cross-section of the populus and so I thought that it would have been interesting to get a feel at this particular time especially as the outcome is very much in the air.

As far as politics go, I specifically asked in the thread for no comments . Indeed, I even went so far as to ask that my initiating post was the only one in the thread to avoid debate and dissent.

Yes..we have a 'no politics' rule but surely that relates to discussion. Not a bloody straw poll. I would have thought that whichever mod removed it would have treated us as adults and let the poll run.

That's it.

Ha knew you hadn't left really! Welcome back Roger, may your stay be long and happy, all is forgiven!

 

[Max Power]

Ill second that Roger, welcome back ccasion5:

 

[head clansman]

hi tom

wizer wrote

But without input from the owner, things like this can't happen for our members.

fair comment tom . hc

 

[ByronBlack]

Don't see a problem with a poll, if there was no discussion being encouraged. Either way Roger, don't let that put you off, it will be a shame to see you go over something like that - I'm sure most of us realise that it was a harsh decision.

My other gripe about the politics thing is almost everything can relate to politics in one way or another, so a blanket ban seems a bit agricultural, but then again this forum isn't a democracy so there seems little point in debating it.

Either way, it's pretty trivial and it would be great if we could all just move on and carry on discussing woodworking and the like, and don't let things like this blow up too much, life is too short.

 

[StevieB]

Round and round and round we go.....

Asking for no comments is all well and good, but someone will leave them. Then someone will respond. Then it snowballs and so on. Do we really believe that there would have been no comments at all?! If a thread is locked people moan, if its left other people moan, threads get sidetracked, diverted and hijacked all the time, quite often not intentionally, sometimes out of mischief.

Up to you how you respond to mods actions on a thread you created, but expecting everyone to abide by a requested action in post 1 of any thread is probably unrealistic.

Steve

 

[big soft moose]

Round and round and round we go.....

Asking for no comments is all well and good, but someone will leave them. Then someone will respond. Then it snowballs and so on. Do we really believe that there would have been no comments at all?! If a thread is locked people moan, if its left other people moan, threads get sidetracked, diverted and hijacked all the time, quite often not intentionally, sometimes out of mischief.

exactly - thus creating more work unecessarily for the moderator team.

Like i said before there are ample places on the internet where politics can be discussed and such polls created - why discuss or poll on a woodwork form (and why run a poll at all if you arent interested in discussing the results)

and as to the idea that our mods have overreacted, you will note that the thread has also been pulled on the "other side" , strange that :roll:

And the answer to "how am i going to vote" is that i am going to put an X in a box next to the party I favour - beyond that it is no ones business but my own, and in my view not a suitable topic for this or any other non politics forum.

and lastly the fact that roger is watching this thread and may or may not have left, imo bears out what i was saying about goodbye threads.

 

[Mike.C]

Round and round and round we go.....

Asking for no comments is all well and good, but someone will leave them. Then someone will respond. Then it snowballs and so on. Do we really believe that there would have been no comments at all?! If a thread is locked people moan, if its left other people moan, threads get sidetracked, diverted and hijacked all the time, quite often not intentionally, sometimes out of mischief.

Up to you how you respond to mods actions on a thread you created, but expecting everyone to abide by a requested action in post 1 of any thread is probably unrealistic.

Steve

Hi Steve, I don't see it as unrealistic at all. If an OP explains that he would be interested to see how a cross selection of the populous are going to vote, but if a discussion about politics starts it will see the mod's removing the thread, and so except for voting he is asking everyone not to leave any comments, I am sure we could refrain from commenting. Now that we have a three horse race (if he does not mess it up tonight) I for one would have been interested in seeing how the vote is going to go.

But the mod's, who do a thankless job, have spoken and we have to respect that.

Welcome back Roger.

Cheers

Mike

 

[woodbloke]

Folks
Just to clear the air, I think we all know the policy on politics on this forum. Roger started a thread last night asking which political party you will be voting for - needless to say this was pulled. I find it hard to believe Roger was surprised at this.
Philly

Ah...the thick plottens. Many years ago I foolishly belonged to an organization that involved 'building tools' :wink: where any discussion on politics or religion was strictly banned. 'Twas a rule and all, the great and the good, stuck to it rigourously.

Sorry to see you go Rog but in my view at least, the mod's decision was the correct one - Rob

 

[big soft moose]

The rules also say this

Whilst the moderators will always seek to act impartially and consistently in the best interests of the forum, there will inevitably be times when their action does not meet with unanimous approval amongst the membership...

...Any individual who feels aggrieved by the actions of a moderator should pursue the matter privately with that moderator...

...Likewise, discussions regarding moderator actions are not permitted on the forum.

so may be we have all said enough