stuart little
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Talking of ethnicity, why should we be 'governed' by non ethnics?
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Rhossydd
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It was one of the great misunderstanding that we were "ruled by Brussels". The reality was very different, almost the opposite, and by being one of the 'Big Three' in the EU, we had huge influence over how the rest of the EU was "ruled".
All now lost.
John Brown
Freeloading Social media influenza
What do you mean?
Adam W.
A Major Clanger
He means "The Others".
But you knew anyway, that didn't you.
Imagination required
John Brown
Freeloading Social media influenza
Well no, I'm confused. "Non ethnic" is usually taken to mean not part of an ethnic minority. So Stuart thinks we should necessarily be governed by someone from an ethnic minority?
Yes, a far more interesting point!
TomGW
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TomGW
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One of the advantages of living in Northern Ireland (UK) a few miles from the non existent border with 'Ireland' (EU) and family on both sides.
Also we can have EU passports regardless of which part of the whole island. In fact, anybody anywhere with one grandparent born anywhere on the island of Ireland can get an Irish (EU) passport. Very handy when arriving at Faro airport and straight through, rather than the 1&1/2 hour queue for nonEU.
Also we can have EU passports regardless of which part of the whole island. In fact, anybody anywhere with one grandparent born anywhere on the island of Ireland can get an Irish (EU) passport. Very handy when arriving at Faro airport and straight through, rather than the 1&1/2 hour queue for nonEU.
Yorkieguy
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Re Brexit, just to recap, here is the outcome of the 2016 Referendum:
In the Referendum, of the nine regions in England, all except London voted to leave.
London is as typical of England as is the Vatican is to Italy. It’s far more ethnically diverse, far more involved with the EU, in terms of vested interests – finance, commerce, banking, insurance etc. If the London remain/leave figures are removed from the England total, proportion of leave would be even higher: 44.6% to remain, 55.4% to leave.
Northern Ireland wanted to remain in the EU because Southern Ireland is in the EU and the difficulties which have arisen over border controls caused by leaving the EU were predicted, and predictable.
Scotland wanted to remain in the EU because those Scots who wanted independence from the rest of the UK thought that in the (admittedly unlikely) event they accomplished that aim, as an independent country they would gain entry to the EU,, but they’d have to meet all the conditions and satisfy all of the EU members states to achieve that objective, and likewise the separation criteria for leaving the UK. Seems a bit bizarre to me that they want to get Westminster out of their hair but would be content to be ruled by Brussels and Strasbourg.
Not sure how much sway Scotland would have in the EU, in which the 27 member states and a total population of 448.4 million. Scotland would add 5.4 million, so the total would be 453.8 mill, of which Scotland would be just 1.2% - about on a par with Slovakia. Scotland in the EU would have to scrap the Scottish pound, adopt the Euro, and the EU border would be between Scotland and England. (should the 27 member States agree to accept them).
That would be fun. (not).
It always amuses me when Scots bang on about independence from Westminster.
During the Blair years, the British Parliament was stuffed full of Scottish MPs in key positions:
Gordon Brown: Chancellor, later for a brief time Prime Minister.
Lord Chancellor: Lord Irving.
Robin Cook: Sec of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs.
Alistair Darling: Sec of State for Social Security.
John Reid: Leader of the House of Commons, Lord President of Council, Secretary of State for Health.
At Health, Reid controversially increasing capacity by introducing private companies to run treatment centres for knee, hip and eye operations. He claimed this provided extra staff and extra capacity to help treat more patients in the NHS at an unprecedented rate. He was criticized for giving GPs a 22% pay rise while also allowing them to opt out of providing weekend and evening treatment. As Health Secretary, Reid had been in favour of limiting the government's proposed smoking ban as much as possible. Reid won in the cabinet, gaining an exemption for private clubs and pubs that did not serve food. The House of Commons rebels proposing a complete ban were successful when MPs were given a free vote on the issue.
Patricia Hewitt voted with the rebels against the Cabinet's proposals. (Reid arrived at the House of Commons "drunk one day and tried to force his way on to the floor to vote. When an attendant stepped forward to stop him, Reid threw a punch "Reid stopped drinking in 1994 and gave up his 60-a-day cigarette habit in 2003).
So a Scottish Secretary of State for Health delayed the introduction of the smoking ban, whereas the Scottish Assembly had already banned it in Scotland. A ‘Tartan tail wagging the English dog’. Likewise, the Police Pay Review Body made a recommendation to government that Police Officers should get a modest pay rise. Gordon Brown said it was ‘unaffordable’. The Scottish Assembly thought otherwise, so Police Officers in his own constituency got their rise, but officers in the rest of the UK didn’t.
The biggest farce border wise, was during the pandemic when Nicola Sturgeon thought she could control the movement of the virus by having different rules from south of the border. Errrm?
Region | Turnout | Remain votes | Leave votes | Remain % | Leave % |
| England (with Gibraltar) | 73.0% | 13,266,996 | 15,188,406 | 46.62% | 53.38% |
| East Midlands | 74.2% | 1,033,036 | 1,475,479 | 41.18% | 58.82% |
| East of England | 75.7% | 1,448,616 | 1,880,367 | 43.52% | 56.48% |
| London | 69.7% | 2,263,519 | 1,513,232 | 59.93% | 40.07% |
| North East England | 69.3% | 562,595 | 778,103 | 41.96% | 58.04% |
| North West England | 70% | 1,699,020 | 1,966,925 | 46.35% | 53.65% |
| South East England | 76.8% | 2,391,718 | 2,567,965 | 48.22% | 51.78% |
| South West England & Gibraltar | 76.7% | 1,503,019 | 1,669,711 | 47.37% | 52.63% |
| West Midlands | 72% | 1,207,175 | 1,755,687 | 40.74% | 59.26% |
| Yorkshire and the Humber | 70.7% | 1,158,298 | 1,580,937 | 42.29% | 57.71% |
| Northern Ireland | 62.7% | 440,707 | 349,442 | 55.78% | 44.22% |
| Scotland | 67.2% | 1,661,191 | 1,018,322 | 62.00% | 38.00% |
| Wales | 71.7% | 772,347 | 854,572 | 47.47% | 52.53% |
London is as typical of England as is the Vatican is to Italy. It’s far more ethnically diverse, far more involved with the EU, in terms of vested interests – finance, commerce, banking, insurance etc. If the London remain/leave figures are removed from the England total, proportion of leave would be even higher: 44.6% to remain, 55.4% to leave.
Northern Ireland wanted to remain in the EU because Southern Ireland is in the EU and the difficulties which have arisen over border controls caused by leaving the EU were predicted, and predictable.
Scotland wanted to remain in the EU because those Scots who wanted independence from the rest of the UK thought that in the (admittedly unlikely) event they accomplished that aim, as an independent country they would gain entry to the EU,, but they’d have to meet all the conditions and satisfy all of the EU members states to achieve that objective, and likewise the separation criteria for leaving the UK. Seems a bit bizarre to me that they want to get Westminster out of their hair but would be content to be ruled by Brussels and Strasbourg.
Not sure how much sway Scotland would have in the EU, in which the 27 member states and a total population of 448.4 million. Scotland would add 5.4 million, so the total would be 453.8 mill, of which Scotland would be just 1.2% - about on a par with Slovakia. Scotland in the EU would have to scrap the Scottish pound, adopt the Euro, and the EU border would be between Scotland and England. (should the 27 member States agree to accept them).
That would be fun. (not).
It always amuses me when Scots bang on about independence from Westminster.
During the Blair years, the British Parliament was stuffed full of Scottish MPs in key positions:
Gordon Brown: Chancellor, later for a brief time Prime Minister.
Lord Chancellor: Lord Irving.
Robin Cook: Sec of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs.
Alistair Darling: Sec of State for Social Security.
John Reid: Leader of the House of Commons, Lord President of Council, Secretary of State for Health.
At Health, Reid controversially increasing capacity by introducing private companies to run treatment centres for knee, hip and eye operations. He claimed this provided extra staff and extra capacity to help treat more patients in the NHS at an unprecedented rate. He was criticized for giving GPs a 22% pay rise while also allowing them to opt out of providing weekend and evening treatment. As Health Secretary, Reid had been in favour of limiting the government's proposed smoking ban as much as possible. Reid won in the cabinet, gaining an exemption for private clubs and pubs that did not serve food. The House of Commons rebels proposing a complete ban were successful when MPs were given a free vote on the issue.
Patricia Hewitt voted with the rebels against the Cabinet's proposals. (Reid arrived at the House of Commons "drunk one day and tried to force his way on to the floor to vote. When an attendant stepped forward to stop him, Reid threw a punch "Reid stopped drinking in 1994 and gave up his 60-a-day cigarette habit in 2003).
So a Scottish Secretary of State for Health delayed the introduction of the smoking ban, whereas the Scottish Assembly had already banned it in Scotland. A ‘Tartan tail wagging the English dog’. Likewise, the Police Pay Review Body made a recommendation to government that Police Officers should get a modest pay rise. Gordon Brown said it was ‘unaffordable’. The Scottish Assembly thought otherwise, so Police Officers in his own constituency got their rise, but officers in the rest of the UK didn’t.
The biggest farce border wise, was during the pandemic when Nicola Sturgeon thought she could control the movement of the virus by having different rules from south of the border. Errrm?
"Perhaps they're trying to punich the UK . . ?
I'm sure they are. I used to buy - low value - classic Fench/German/Italian bike parts from those countries, with no problems`: just convert into Euros, and pay the item plus postage. Immediately after Brexit, a number of my regular suppliers in the EU announced, with evident joy, that they would not supply to the UK under any circumstances "Because you've left us"!
"Hell hath no fury like a conglomerate scorned"
John Brown
Freeloading Social media influenza
So you reckon they're turning down sales just to punish you? Did they ask which way you voted?
With all due respect, I find that totally ridiculous. We(or some of us - not me) voted to punish ourselves.
Maybe you could substitute bendy bananas or something for those bike parts.
"turning down sales just to punish you? Did they ask which way you voted?" ??
Yes; and Yes.
If you find that ridiculous, perhaos you should get out more . . .
Yes; and Yes.
If you find that ridiculous, perhaos you should get out more . . .
Very Very well said
I wish I could write like cmoops2, what a perfect consept of the EU. Well this is my personell opinion from a wise old man. As a trading setup it was very good but then from unelected mps it got out of hand. We are british and have been for a 1000 years and I see the EU in 10 years being compleatly europe with Tax, Vat, police, army, all being controlled from the EU. Brexit was a good thing if it had been done right but the in fighting in parliment between the remainers and brexiteers meant it was never going to be done correctly, Thus we are half in and half out. That is why we have all the problems. The world is wide open for trade but they are not happy because we are still half in the EU. And as 6year old running down to the shelter during the Sheffield Blitz Please listen to me. Rant over.
curryjunkie
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the UK has a trade agreement with the EU, its called brexit, not the fault of the EU that british trade negotiators were so awful at their job, there are no benefits, it is an utter disaster.
Agent_zed
Established Member
I really want the new Alpina root MIPs helmet but it's made in Germany and they won't sell to the UK anymore
Agent_zed
Established Member
I'm not really sure what we were expecting. It was a divorce like any other, except for some reason we thought we could leave but would get to keep all of the benefits of being in the marriage without any of the responsibility.
John Brown
Freeloading Social media influenza
What "unelected MPs"?
Agent_zed
Established Member
I may well be wrong but according to wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_Kingdom 'Great Britain' began in 1707 which would make it about 317 years old.
The world may be open for trade but it doesn't help if we don't want to buy what they are selling. Most of our fruit and veg comes from Europe as it's right next to us and grows the things we want. Not a lot of cucumbers coming out of the indo-pacific I would guess.
also slightly ironic that we want to be free to do what we want and will end up buying from communist/authoritarian countries.
Rhossydd
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That's a common and perfect example of people who have been misinformed and have so little understanding of how the EU works and what it does, they believe the nonsense pushed at them.
Did they not understand what voting for an MEP was all about for so many years ?
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