Bedt underlay for laminate on natural floorboards?

[Georget79]

Hi all I've posted before about insulating or re doing over natural floorboards and have finally gone for 10mm laminate. Trying to figure out what underlay is best to keep the room warm.

The one I've ordered is pro gold Vapour 1.11 tog, but now I'm thinking it's maybe not high enough tog rating.

Someone else has told me I shouldnt even lay underlay on natural floorboards because any dips or ridges may cause the tongues to snap?

So any sound advuce about this would be much appreciated

 

[Bingy man]

I often go with what the seller recommends but with floor boards I personally don’t think it’s as critical as solid floors due to the potential of damp and or condensation. As for the tongues snapping off I think that’s rubbish as wouldn’t the same thing happen with carpet and underlay? I personally like those fibre mats as they add a little height and also insulate and reduce noise.. hardest job is making sure the floorboards are firmly fixed , not squeeing and any that are loose are refined without hitting any pipes or cables..

 

[Doug B]

I used this kind of underlay under the maple laminate I laid at home 24 years ago, I’ve had absolutely no problems with it & have subsequently used it on many customers floors again with no problems
https://www.leaderfloors.co.uk/wood...EM5l1jjQBWsrjmv7TJVQn3FEPivAyRQ4aAn-aEALw_wcB

 

[Bingy man]

I used this kind of underlay under the maple laminate I laid at home 24 years ago, I’ve had absolutely no problems with it & have subsequently used it on many customers floors again with no problems
https://www.leaderfloors.co.uk/wood-plus-5mm-finefloor-fibreboard-wood-laminate-flooring-underlay-7-02m-p82453/s212006?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=wood-plus-5mm-finefloor-fibreboard-wood-amp-laminate-flooring-underlay-7-02-m2-sku-212006&utm_campaign=product+listing+ads&cid=GBP&glCurrency=GBP&glCountry=GB&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADmifqxCHWTTAcmAka0g4ZKciocCI&gclid=Cj0KCQjwxsm3BhDrARIsAMtVz6PzBzx3pDYpNB0LfdpyHukEM5l1jjQBWsrjmv7TJVQn3FEPivAyRQ4aAn-aEALw_wcB

That’s the ones I prefer

 

[Georget79]

I often go with what the seller recommends but with floor boards I personally don’t think it’s as critical as solid floors due to the potential of damp and or condensation. As for the tongues snapping off I think that’s rubbish as wouldn’t the same thing happen with carpet and underlay? I personally like those fibre mats as they add a little height and also insulate and reduce noise.. hardest job is making sure the floorboards are firmly fixed , not squeeing and any that are loose are refined without hitting any pipes or cables..

Floorboards are solid, but I just want to make sure it insulates the room as much as possible. The underlay I ordered was reccomended by the seller, but it as only after I read its tog rating was 1.11 and I'm reading online the higher to rig rating, the better it insulates... So not sure if 1.11 is sufficient. Although I know nothing about tog ratings

 

[Georget79]

I used this kind of underlay under the maple laminate I laid at home 24 years ago, I’ve had absolutely no problems with it & have subsequently used it on many customers floors again with no problems
https://www.leaderfloors.co.uk/wood-plus-5mm-finefloor-fibreboard-wood-laminate-flooring-underlay-7-02m-p82453/s212006?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=wood-plus-5mm-finefloor-fibreboard-wood-amp-laminate-flooring-underlay-7-02-m2-sku-212006&utm_campaign=product+listing+ads&cid=GBP&glCurrency=GBP&glCountry=GB&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADmifqxCHWTTAcmAka0g4ZKciocCI&gclid=Cj0KCQjwxsm3BhDrARIsAMtVz6PzBzx3pDYpNB0LfdpyHukEM5l1jjQBWsrjmv7TJVQn3FEPivAyRQ4aAn-aEALw_wcB

Thanks, I'll give it some thought. Do you know why tog ratings aren't usually listed under specs in most underlays?

 

[Bingy man]

Floorboards are solid, but I just want to make sure it insulates the room as much as possible. The underlay I ordered was reccomended by the seller, but it as only after I read its tog rating was 1.11 and I'm reading online the higher to rig rating, the better it insulates... So not sure if 1.11 is sufficient. Although I know nothing about tog ratings

I’ve never given it much thought , obviously it normally refers to clothing and bedding but tbh I didn’t know that flooring underlays had tog ratings . In all the years I’ve laid laminate floors I’ve never had a customer ask about tog ratings for underlays. Most just want a nice floor ..

 

[Bingy man]

Had to do a quick google search and lo and behold there is indeed a tog rating for underlay but it seems to work in the opposite direction to clothing etc in that the lower the rating the better . But I think it’s more for UFH than normal laminate floors hence why this information isn’t available or quoted by manufacturers. It makes sense as you don’t want the underlay to keep the heat trapped with UFH you want that heat to be emitted into the room ..hope this helps ..

 

[Georget79]

I’ve never given it much thought , obviously it normally refers to clothing and bedding but tbh I didn’t know that flooring underlays had tog ratings . In all the years I’ve laid laminate floors I’ve never had a customer ask about tog ratings for underlays. Most just want a nice floor ..

Ok thanks. I may order fibre boards and then decide by Monday when he comes to lay it.

 

[Georget79]

Had to do a quick google search and lo and behold there is indeed a tog rating for underlay but it seems to work in the opposite direction to clothing etc in that the lower the rating the better . But I think it’s more for UFH than normal laminate floors hence why this information isn’t available or quoted by manufacturers. It makes sense as you don’t want the underlay to keep the heat trapped with UFH you want that heat to be emitted into the room ..hope this helps ..

Yeah thanks. Actually still confusing, as I read the higher the tog rating the better for insulating the floor. But as you say, if it's not mentioned much then maybe it's not as relevant

 

[Woodworker Ireland]

Hi all I've posted before about insulating or re doing over natural floorboards and have finally gone for 10mm laminate. Trying to figure out what underlay is best to keep the room warm.

The one I've ordered is pro gold Vapour 1.11 tog, but now I'm thinking it's maybe not high enough tog rating.

Someone else has told me I shouldnt even lay underlay on natural floorboards because any dips or ridges may cause the tongues to snap?

So any sound advuce about this would be much appreciated

i Have laid air tight membrane over old floor boards recently then good quality underlay under 12mm laminate. Recomended by engineer

 

[Bingy man]

Yeah thanks. Actually still confusing, as I read the higher the tog rating the better for insulating the floor. But as you say, if it's not mentioned much then maybe it's not as relevant

I should have said my mistake ( UFL - underfloor heating ) if the underlay had a high tog rating then the heat would no be emitted through the laminate so imo that explains the low tog requirements.

 

[Georget79]

I should have said my mistake ( UFL - underfloor heating ) if the underlay had a high tog rating then the heat would no be emitted through the laminate so imo that explains the low tog requirements.

Yeah that makes sense. I'm just going to stick with the one I've got, called several underlay companies today and they seem to think it should sufficient. Someone did reccomend sealing the gaps in the floorboards before we lay it, so will need to find something for that. If you've got any suggestions, would be great to hear

 

[HOJ]

Personal taste and all that, but I'd be keeping the lovely old floorboards exposed, laminate flooring is the work of the

 

[Bingy man]

Yeah that makes sense. I'm just going to stick with the one I've got, called several underlay companies today and they seem to think it should sufficient. Someone did reccomend sealing the gaps in the floorboards before we lay it, so will need to find something for that. If you've got any suggestions, would be great to hear

Any frame sealant or caulk with a high degree of Flexibility. If you are leaving skirting boards in place and fitting quadrant then seal the bottom of the skirts to the floorboards .,

 

[Georget79]

Personal taste and all that, but I'd be keeping the lovely old floorboards exposed, laminate flooring is the work of the

I would if it wasn't for downstairs being so cold in winter

 

[Georget79]

Any frame sealant or caulk with a high degree of Flexibility. If you are leaving skirting boards in place and fitting quadrant then seal the bottom of the skirts to the floorboards .,

Super, thanks

 

[Ozi]

I used this kind of underlay under the maple laminate I laid at home 24 years ago, I’ve had absolutely no problems with it & have subsequently used it on many customers floors again with no problems
https://www.leaderfloors.co.uk/wood-plus-5mm-finefloor-fibreboard-wood-laminate-flooring-underlay-7-02m-p82453/s212006?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=wood-plus-5mm-finefloor-fibreboard-wood-amp-laminate-flooring-underlay-7-02-m2-sku-212006&utm_campaign=product+listing+ads&cid=GBP&glCurrency=GBP&glCountry=GB&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADmifqxCHWTTAcmAka0g4ZKciocCI&gclid=Cj0KCQjwxsm3BhDrARIsAMtVz6PzBzx3pDYpNB0LfdpyHukEM5l1jjQBWsrjmv7TJVQn3FEPivAyRQ4aAn-aEALw_wcB

Has anybody used this under vinyl, I have a very cold concrete kitchen floor, I don't want to remove the existing tiles so I'm looking for something thin on the basis that any improvement is better than the current situation. SWMBO wants underfloor heating and the height kept level with the hallway which would require lowering the kitchen floor, NOoooo!!!

 

[Doug B]

Has anybody used this under vinyl, I have a very cold concrete kitchen floor, I don't want to remove the existing tiles so I'm looking for something thin on the basis that any improvement is better than the current situation. SWMBO wants underfloor heating and the height kept level with the hallway which would require lowering the kitchen floor, NOoooo!!!

It will dent so say for instance a chair leg could possibly dig into it as unlike laminate vinyl cushion type flooring won’t spread the load put on it.