Yet another reason to tell the EU where to go

[MMUK]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26257703


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[cedarwood]

So with all these so called harmful gases and whatever pollutants are airborne WHY are people LIVING longer than our ancestors ever did, bloomin politicians and daft scientists and their statistics. (hammer)

 

[xy mosian]

"The UK's problem with dirty air stems from the EU's air pollution directive, which came into force in 2008."

Not from diesel engine exhaust then?

xy

 

[MIGNAL]

So with all these so called harmful gases and whatever pollutants are airborne WHY are people LIVING longer than our ancestors ever did, bloomin politicians and daft scientists and their statistics. (hammer)

Maybe it's because scientists/doctors discovered that smoking, asbestos and other air pollutants weren't very good for the old bellows. There's a small matter of better/advanced healthcare as well. Blaming the EU on highlighting high levels of a pollutant in UK Cities is just plain dumb.

 

[John15]

I would think that high pollution levels in some of our cities is a health hazard particularly to children, the infirm, and old folk so I'm in favour of any efforts and regulations that try to reduce it.

John

 

[MMUK]

So with all these so called harmful gases and whatever pollutants are airborne WHY are people LIVING longer than our ancestors ever did, bloomin politicians and daft scientists and their statistics. (hammer)

Maybe it's because scientists/doctors discovered that smoking, asbestos and other air pollutants weren't very good for the old bellows. There's a small matter of better/advanced healthcare as well. Blaming the EU on highlighting high levels of a pollutant in UK Cities is just plain dumb.

And you think bringing legal action, along with a hefty fine is the way to go about it?

Surely that money, which we don't have anyway, could be better spent on trying to reduce pollution?

Apart from which, what the pineapple does it have to do with the EU anyway? That's the problem these days, too many countries poking their noses in to each other's business!

 

[nanscombe]

UK air pollution: why are we only now waking up to this public health crisis?

A Guardian article from last year...

Traffic fumes across the country are provoking increased instances of asthma and other respiratory diseases. So what is being done about it?
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Air pollution, especially from diesel engines, is a "neglected, hidden killer" and children and old people are especially at risk, says Mudway. "There's strong evidence that if you live near main roads you will have smaller lungs," he says. "They will not reach capacity and will be stunted. When, or if, people move to a cleaner environment they still do not recover the function they lost.
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He lists some of the effects of polluted air. In the short term, it leads to irritation to the eyes, nose and throat, headaches, nausea, bronchitis and pneumonia. Over a longer period it can result in heart attacks and lung diseases, cancers, even damage to the brain, nerves, liver, and kidneys.
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The more researchers like Mudway look at the health effects of air pollution, the worse it seems to get. The latest figures suggest 29,000 people die prematurely from it every year in Britain, twice as many as from road traffic, obesity and alcohol combined, and that air pollution is now second only to smoking as a cause of death.
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We wear respirators / masks in the workshop to prevent our lungs being damaged by microscopic dust / wood particles but should people have to wear them in the "Fresh Air" to avoid lung problems?

 

[MMUK]

Personally, I take a lot of these so-called reports with a pinch of salt. There are so many other factors involved that they seem to wilfully ignore.

Just take asbestos as an example. Most of the hype created about the subject is scaremongering and *********. It's no more dangerous to your health than MDF and yet MDF hasn't been outlawed.

 

[MIGNAL]

In that case I guess you won't mind pouring a load of asbestos dust over yourself. Harmless mate, exaggerated claims made by people who are experts in their field. Mix in a bit of MDF dust in equal measures. Claims of arsenic dangers are also much exaggerated. I don't know. These so called experts. You are much better off coming on the general section of UKW for such advice.

 

[tekno.mage]

What I don't understand is why there are increases in the number of cases of asthma now. Air quality is *so* much better than it was 40 or 50 years ago when there was heavy industry belching goodness knows what into the atmosphere, smokey coal fires used for domestic heating, lead in petrol, filthy old deisel buses and lorries etc etc, despite the increase in number of vehicles on the road. I remember working in London 25 years ago and blowing one's nose after a day "in the smoke" (mostly spent in an air-conditioned office, with just the walk to the tube station exposing me directly to the traffic fumes) resulted in black stuff in the hanky! It's especially odd when you consider that 40 - 50 years ago kids played outside a lot more than they do now, so potentially were more exposed to really nasty fumes and particles.

 

[MMUK]

What I don't understand is why there are increases in the number of cases of asthma now. Air quality is *so* much better than it was 40 or 50 years ago when there was heavy industry belching goodness knows what into the atmosphere, smokey coal fires used for domestic heating, lead in petrol, filthy old deisel buses and lorries etc etc, despite the increase in number of vehicles on the road. I remember working in London 25 years ago and blowing one's nose after a day "in the smoke" (mostly spent in an air-conditioned office, with just the walk to the tube station exposing me directly to the traffic fumes) resulted in black stuff in the hanky! It's especially odd when you consider that 40 - 50 years ago kids played outside a lot more than they do now, so potentially were more exposed to really nasty fumes and particles.

Easy. Because there's so much emphasis on sterility these days. People's immune systems just aren't what they used to be, they're not exposed daily to the common germs and airborne crap like they were 40/50 years ago. If you look at it, there's many more people ill on a daily basis now than back in the day. Without exposure to these nasties from an early age, the immune system doesn't know what to do when it's attacked for the first time in later life.

I would also say that the added chemicals in cigarettes may have a bearing on asthma too. Cigarettes didn't contain formaldahyde and all the other junk back then.

 

[Jacob]

:lol: :lol:
Have you tried jumping off a cliff MMUK? They say the risks are wildly exaggerated; it's a lot safer than it looks.
Scaremongers everywhere and elf n safety gorn mad. :roll:

 

[MMUK]

:lol: :lol:
Have you tried jumping off a cliff MMUK? They say the risks are wildly exaggerated; it's a lot safer than it looks.
Scaremongers everywhere and elf n safety gorn mad. :roll:

Have you tried behaving like a normal human being Jacob? Your trolling is getting very boring to say the least. Wind your neck in and crawl back under your rock.

 

[t8hants]

Nobody wants to look at the coincidence that the insect population started to decline after the introduction of unleaded petrol. Brought about by a very clever campaign by the oil companies to foist the nasty, cheap to produce, carp on us.

 

[riclepp]

Personally, I take a lot of these so-called reports with a pinch of salt. There are so many other factors involved that they seem to wilfully ignore.

Just take asbestos as an example. Most of the hype created about the subject is scaremongering and bull dung. It's no more dangerous to your health than MDF and yet MDF hasn't been outlawed.

Errr how do you work that out in regards to asbestos???? (asking as an asbestos surveyor)

 

[Jacob]

Personally, I take a lot of these so-called reports with a pinch of salt. There are so many other factors involved that they seem to wilfully ignore.

Just take asbestos as an example. Most of the hype created about the subject is scaremongering and bull dung. It's no more dangerous to your health than MDF and yet MDF hasn't been outlawed.

Errr how do you work that out in regards to asbestos???? (asking as an asbestos surveyor)

It's all lies coming from European vested interests - it's a well known fact that asbestos dust is good for you, along with lead, tobacco, diesel fumes, arsenic etc. etc.
A bit of exposure toughens you up - if you don't jump off a few cliffs you will never learn to fly.

 

[Grahamshed]

I blame it all on decimalisation.

 

[Harbo]

No it's Napoleon's fault?

 

[riclepp]

No, it's the German's fault

 

[Cheshirechappie]

Nah. It's Margaret Thatcher's fault. Asbestos, man-made global warming, the bankers, the Boer War, the Norman Invasion, the extinction of the dinosaurs, the Austin Allegro, England not winning the World Cup since 1966, putting lead in paint.....

All Fatcher's fault, innit?