workshop re-work

[kityuser]

OK, major project coming but not the usual interesting "workshop from scratch" that most people post (and I love reading with envy).

Mines a re-invention of a back garden garage (5mx2.75mx2.4m).

Note: the feather edge above the non-functional up and over door was a quick lash for the littlen`s 1st B-day, not done by me!

SO the plan.......
Well that asbestos roof is coming off, as its gone porus and is leaky.
Luckily no sheets have split and I`ve experimented with taking the nails out, looks like I can get all sheets intact to the tip um i mean "recycling centre" for council disposal.

Then I`m gonna loose the taper from up-and-over to back by framing on top of the walls in 4x2.
Next its an OSB2 roof on 4x2 rafters (2 foot centres) with a 10 degree slope to the back (towards neighbours side). (thats ~0.5m over 2.75m by my calcs). Covered with wickes polyester top felt (green, the premium 15 year one). Cold bonded joints.

Then its off with the up-and-over, batten out the entire outside with 45mm battens on 0.5 centres then clad with 175mm barn cladding (feather edge).
Case the corners, new door and window trim, soffets, facias and gutter.

Inside I`ve got a consumer unit to fit, lights, ring and shed to tie in.

The roof really at the moment is the main problem as is the lack of head room at the door end.
Walls are pretty ok, but very porus, they sit on a DPC (ontop of the base) so don't really suffer from rising damp, just from driving rain/dripping from the roof.

ow and SWMBO likes the feather edge look.

One question i have got is with regards to the battening of the walls.
45mm battens, should I go for 3" or 4" screws? (75mm or 100mm, sorry sucking eggs! :roll: )

probably not as exciting as most workshop builds, but I`m looking forward to the results.

ow and budget is STRICKLY less than £1K (coming in at about £860 at the mo)

Steve

 

[dennis]

Steve

The walls look straight enough so if you are not packing laths out to a line 3inch screws will be plenty long enough.

Dennis

 

[dennis]

Steve

When you say that you experimented with taking the roof nails out what did you come up with because an easy way is to clamp molegrips on sideways and unscrew,you might have allready found this out.When you say the feather boarding was for the little ones birthday how did he or she get up to unwrap it.

Dennis

 

[Karl]

I love seeing other peoples workshops - a good source of useful ideas.

Here is a tour of my single garage workshop, though it has changed a bit since then.

Hope the build goes well, and you restrain your wallet to stick to your budget!

Cheers

Karl

 

[Gary]

SO the plan.......
Well that asbestos roof is coming off, as its gone porus and is leaky.
Luckily no sheets have split and I`ve experimented with taking the nails out, looks like I can get all sheets intact to the tip um i mean "recycling centre" for council disposal.

Will they take them if you just turn up with them in the back of a van? I thought they had to be transported in a sealed container to a specialist disposal site.

 

[OPJ]

I was gonna ask a similar question to the one Gary has just asked. Will they charge you for "disposing" of this stuff? Did the council/local authority give you the green light to take it down yourself?

You're going with another flat roof by the sound of it. Did you not think of adding a pitched roof or did planning/council put their foot down on that? It could give you more storage room as well as head room... :wink:

 

[kityuser]

Its facilities at our local "tip" that I'm talking about.
Clearly marked (but locked) asbestos bin, inside the "tip" public area.
Strictly no vans or sign written vehicles allow so I don't see how your supposed get the stuff there unless its trailered/roof-racked.
(height bars to stop vans/pickups).

see link
http://www.kent.gov.uk/environment/recy ... dstone.htm

I'll have to give them a ring.......

as for a pitched roof, I considered it but for simplicity and cost have opted for the flat option.

I got a bit more of a price break-down now its all ordered.
feather edge and 4x2 - £599 (320m and about 130m in 3m lengths)
6 sheets of OSB2 - £60
nails/screws and hardware - £40
roofing (felt adhesive) - £110
casing and facias/sofets - £50
guttering - £40

which leaves about £100 from the budget.

Steve

 

[Gary]

Maybe I'm wrong but I can't see how the public is allowed to remove asbestos products, possibly with no safety gear, break it up to fit in a hatch back car. Then transport it to the local "tip" possibly endangering themselves and other members of the public just because they live in Kent.

I'd be interested to know the full terms when you find them out.

 

[bodgermatic]

Concrete asbestos sheet (as in roofing sheets) contain between 15% and 40% asbestos. Unless you cut, file, or otherwise abrade them the asbestos is nicely locked up inside. I've recently taken several sheets that used to be a roof to my local tip. A condition of them accepting it is that it is well wrapped and sealed in thick plastic - which I did. Different forms of asbestos have varying hazard levels - you don't want to breathe in the dust. Just because the dust of certain hardwoods is an irritant, you'd still be happy to have it as furniture in your house!

 

[kityuser]

thanks for all the comments , I'll be finding out from the council what is expected to dispose of the roof at the tip.

I know for a fact that i have seen people use these facilities in the past.

Steve (looking forward to getting started)

 

[dennis]

I agree with what bodgermatic says about cutting and sealing if possible you must try not to break it,one point is does it actually contain asbestos as quite a few years ago we used to work with sheets that looked identical to asbestos but were stamped asbestos free unless of course this meant that you didnt pay for the asbestos,but seriously have you looked on the underside to see if they are stamped asbestos free even so take as many precautions as possible.It is frightening when I think of the amount that we used years ago cutting it on a circular saw with no masks.We were replacing a large shed roofwith asbestos in the firms yard 45 years ago and we all fell about laughing when a new joiner asked the foreman for gloves to handle it with,If we had known then what we know now I dont think we would have been laughing.

Dennis

 

[kityuser]

just measured the dimensions and I've got what look slike 30'' x 9' sheets.

Can't see any obvious stamps underneath.

I got a roofrack that I'm happy to use however I'm not too sure how I'm supposed to bag up a 9 foot sheet and seal it.

I'll be phoning the council tomorrow.....
Steve

 

[Anonymous]

just measured the dimensions and I've got what look slike 30'' x 9' sheets.
I'm not too sure how I'm supposed to bag up a 9 foot sheet and seal it.


Steve

Wheelie bin liners, one each end? Long and strong they are.

 

[Anonymous]

just measured the dimensions and I've got what look slike 30'' x 9' sheets.
I'm not too sure how I'm supposed to bag up a 9 foot sheet and seal it.


Steve

Wheelie bin liners, one each end? Long and strong they are.

ooooh I say, with that post I just got promoted. How much extra can I expect in the PP now?

 

[kityuser]

just spoken with the manager at the "recycling centre".

They have no special requirements for transportation of the sheets to the site, they will accept them in any form (sheet, broken sheet, bagged unbagged).

looks like its all go then!

Steve

 

[OPJ]

Concrete asbestos sheet (as in roofing sheets) contain between 15% and 40% asbestos. Unless you cut, file, or otherwise abrade them the asbestos is nicely locked up inside.

On my pitched roof, a small hole, about the size of a golf ball, appeared in one of the sheets less than two years ago. Probably one of little Chavs next door...!! :x My dad seems to think it's okay :roll: , but what do you think? Is it still safe to work in there or should I replace it ASAP? I'm pretty sure it's the concrete-based stuff but there's definitely no stamping to say it's 'Asbestos-Free' or anything.

 

[kityuser]

frame up the existing walls, square off and taper new roof to neighbours

Start the cladding

Cladding done, some corner casings on and started soffets/facias

guttering up, just it time, it poured it down 10 mins later

Steve

 

[mrbingley]

Looks really good, no sign at all of it being a garage originally.

Chris.

 

[kityuser]

I`m quite chuffed, things went abit wrong (gap wise) inbetween the window and the door, I`m considering a rectification, but its a bit anal really, it is saw timber.................

I think the sun must have got to me!

Steve

 

[filsgreen]

looks really good sir, well done!