When to sharpen

[studders]

I can sharpen stuff so that it'll shave hairs no problem - keeping everything square is quite another matter though.

Ditto, I can do it by hand but it aint pretty, an I like pretty - call me strange if you must.

 

[jlawrence]

My problem is that if it ain't square I don't seem to be able to get the plane working correctly - it planes more one side than the other and I seem to be unable to adjust it out.

 

[studders]

My problem is that if it ain't square I don't seem to be able to get the plane working correctly - it planes more one side than the other and I seem to be unable to adjust it out.

Didn't know I'd lent you my Super Stanley Low Angle Skewed Plane? :lol:

I know what you mean though, esp with the above Plane, getting the blade 'out of whack' when sharpening makes mine almost unusable. Hence the jigs.

 

[jlawrence]

Not only did you lend me that one, but when I turned my back in the shop it morphed into a couple of other planes as well.
I will get it sussed one day - hopefully whilst there's still some metal left on my blades

 

[woodbloke]

My problem is that if it ain't square I don't seem to be able to get the plane working correctly - it planes more one side than the other and I seem to be unable to adjust it out.

One of the advantages of the Kell III guide is that it will guarantee a square blade - Rob

 

[bugbear]

My problem is that if it ain't square I don't seem to be able to get the plane working correctly - it planes more one side than the other and I seem to be unable to adjust it out.

One of the advantages of the Kell III guide is that it will guarantee a square blade - Rob

Surely any upper-surface-referencing jig will do that, if the blade is square in the jig?

Further, any upper-surface-referencing jig will do the same if the blade is parallel in thickness.

BugBear

 

[woodbloke]

My problem is that if it ain't square I don't seem to be able to get the plane working correctly - it planes more one side than the other and I seem to be unable to adjust it out.

One of the advantages of the Kell III guide is that it will guarantee a square blade - Rob

Surely any upper-surface-referencing jig will do that, if the blade is square in the jig?

Further, any upper-surface-referencing jig will do the same if the blade is parallel in thickness.

BugBear

Possibly, but not (in my view) if the roller is a narrow one, as in the Eclipse...very easy then to obtain a skewed blade unintentionally - Rob

 

[Alf]

Any jig can "guarantee" a square blade - if the user gets it right. Don't believe anyone's come up with a jig that guarantees it if the user's a klutz though...

 

[woodbloke]

Any jig can "guarantee" a square blade - if the user gets it right. Don't believe anyone's come up with a jig that guarantees it if the user's a klutz though...

Agreed Alf, assuming that jigs have been set up correctly with the blade in the correct location etc. The Eclipse is 'finger pressure critical' though so any slight deviation in right or left finger pressure will over time will produce an unintentionally skewed blade...which is one of the reasons I binned mine - Rob

 

[mr grimsdale]

Freehand one corrects for an out-of-square edge by applying more pressure on the high side. Not necessarily to correct it first time but to introduce a bias in subsequent sharpenings.
That one should have to explain these things at all is amazing* - but then sharpening nowadays is crazy!
C'mon, pull yourselves together! I blame the jig. :roll:

*PS Handy hint No 71
walking is made easier if you swing each leg past the other alternately. Do not attempt to swing both legs at the same time.

 

[PeterBassett]

And you've flipped from helpful and informative to annoying and arrogant again.

 

[bugbear]

My problem is that if it ain't square I don't seem to be able to get the plane working correctly - it planes more one side than the other and I seem to be unable to adjust it out.

One of the advantages of the Kell III guide is that it will guarantee a square blade - Rob

Surely any upper-surface-referencing jig will do that, if the blade is square in the jig?

Further, any upper-surface-referencing jig will do the same if the blade is parallel in thickness.

BugBear

Possibly, but not (in my view) if the roller is a narrow one, as in the Eclipse...very easy then to obtain a skewed blade unintentionally - Rob

Yes, quite right - in my mind the requirment for the jig itself to have a solid line contact with the stone was so clear I forgot to actually say it.

My bad.

BugBear

 

[woodbloke]

And you've flipped from helpful and informative to annoying and arrogant again.

:-k...agreed - Rob

 

[mr grimsdale]

And you've flipped from helpful and informative to annoying and arrogant again.

Annoying it may be but it's hardly arrogant to suggest that a routine woodworking task could be made easier, with no great skill level required.

 

[PeterBassett]

...That one should have to explain these things at all is amazing* - but then sharpening nowadays is crazy!
C'mon, pull yourselves together! I blame the jig. :roll:

*PS Handy hint No 71
walking is made easier if you swing each leg past the other alternately. Do not attempt to swing both legs at the same time.

Arrogant, condescending, patronizing etc etc etc. I realise the walking comment was a failed attempt at humour, it's the

That one should have to explain these things at all is amazing.

line that grates the most.

Are you like this in real life? :shock:

 

[Loz_S]

Arrogant, condescending, patronizing etc etc etc. ...

Isn't that the reason he was banned in the first place...?

I'm sure one of his many sycophants will be along in a moment to chide anyone who criticizes ...

 

[Jake]

Arrogant, condescending, patronizing etc etc etc. ...

Isn't that the reason he was banned in the first place...?

No, it had nothing to do with that.

I'm sure one of his many sycophants will be along in a moment to chide anyone who criticizes ...

As someone who stands up for him sometimes against the herd opinion, I was going to say something rude in return as I guess I fall within that class in your mind. But, as I think he was needlessly needle-ly on that ocassion, I'm going to let it rise and not escalate anything by insulting you in response.

 

[PeterBassett]

I'm sure he is a very knowledgeable and experienced person.

It's just his manners that need some work.

Pete

 

[mr grimsdale]

Sorry folks but the endless struggle with honing jigs is worthy of comment and people really are too sensitive - it's only bloody woodwork!

PS and anyway - encouraging folk to be less frightened of hand honing (and other hand & eye processes elsewhere) is a good thing IMHO.

 

[Racers]

Hi,

I think it is a pre-emptive strike against a soon to be spiralling out of control sharpening thread.

Pete