whats in your pocket

[wizard]

My victorinox it a shame i do not have the gun that came in the box with it

 

[DTR]

I bought this particular one because it reminds me of one my grandfather owned. The bottle opener is rather handy too. Unfortunately I gave the tip a bit of a mangling recently, I still need to sort that.

I do still have three of my grandfather's knives, but as they're all lock knives I'm a bit weary of keeping one on me

 

[paultnl]

The police link is deliberately misleading, it does grudgingly acknowledge that a lock knife is not in itself an offensive weapon and there are many justifications for carrying one (a lot more than the examples given).

The definition of an offensive weapon is "made, adapted or INTENDED" (my emphasis). It is very easy to show many peaceful uses of a small knife and a locking facility is a sensible safety feature.

 

[Muswell]

My brother had a small lock-knife on his keyring which he used for peeling oranges for lunch etc. Going through security to attend a meeting at the Houses of Parliament in a professional capacity he was cautioned. He could have refused to accept in which case he would have been charged and gone to court.You may think it's daft, the person who stops you may think it's daft but the law exists.

 

[SteveW1000]

I was told by one of the armed Police when going into New Scotland Yard that my Gerber MultiTool Knife was illegal and if he had seen it out on the street it would have been confiscated. However I have been previously told by a Sargent I was friendly with that it was not illegal as it was a tool. It all down to interpretation, blame the MPs not not wording the legislation sensibly. I always grin what the press talk about anybody with a knife in public getting a mandatory five years imprisonment and an envision the police arresting grannies buying bread knife and them doing five years clink.

I also have a five inch lock knife bought from Buck and Ryan when the use to have a window full of knifes including some lock knifes with ten inch blades!

Steve

 

[paultnl]

My brother had a small lock-knife on his keyring which he used for peeling oranges for lunch etc. Going through security to attend a meeting at the Houses of Parliament in a professional capacity he was cautioned. He could have refused to accept in which case he would have been charged and gone to court.You may think it's daft, the person who stops you may think it's daft but the law exists.

The police often try and use cautions and fixed penalties as a way of avoiding having their questionable "interpretations" of the law being put under any scrutiny. If your brother had stood his ground I am sure that the magistrates would have seen it as nonsense.

 

[dickm]

Mention of "lambs foot" knife certainly took me back! Got my first one when about 7 (and cut myself with it on the first day ) and always had one until finding out about Swiss Army knives back in the 60s. Lost several, and now have a cheap copy probably from a car boot sale. But like others, still have my grandfather's lambsfoot, now worn down to about half its original thickness and kept only for sentimental reasons.

 

[lurcher]

i carry a taylors eye witness 3" lambs foot knife
was in the draw ware i keep my knifes and counted 47 including some fixed blades that were made for me for my 50th bday
all will be left to my gradsons

 

[JustBen]

I have one of these. It's small but very handy.

I've travelled through many airports with it in my wallet and it was only recently that someone in security noticed it.

They took it off me but posted it back to my house so that I could keep it. (I had to provide the stamp and envelope )

 

[JohnPW]

My brother had a small lock-knife on his keyring which he used for peeling oranges for lunch etc. Going through security to attend a meeting at the Houses of Parliament in a professional capacity he was cautioned. He could have refused to accept in which case he would have been charged and gone to court.You may think it's daft, the person who stops you may think it's daft but the law exists.

The police often try and use cautions and fixed penalties as a way of avoiding having their questionable "interpretations" of the law being put under any scrutiny. If your brother had stood his ground I am sure that the magistrates would have seen it as nonsense.

Locking knives are illegal to carry in public, without a good reason. I wouldn't think peeling oranges is a good reason, because a perfectly legal folding knife with a blade shorter than 7.5cm that you can carry without having to explain for it will peel oranges, even a bluntish normal table knife will do it.

 

[rxh]

I have these two in my pocket. The upper one was given to me as a boy and, as you can see, it has been sharpened away to almost nothing.

 

[paultnl]

My brother had a small lock-knife on his keyring which he used for peeling oranges for lunch etc. Going through security to attend a meeting at the Houses of Parliament in a professional capacity he was cautioned. He could have refused to accept in which case he would have been charged and gone to court.You may think it's daft, the person who stops you may think it's daft but the law exists.

The police often try and use cautions and fixed penalties as a way of avoiding having their questionable "interpretations" of the law being put under any scrutiny. If your brother had stood his ground I am sure that the magistrates would have seen it as nonsense.

Locking knives are illegal to carry in public, without a good reason. I wouldn't think peeling oranges is a good reason, because a perfectly legal folding knife with a blade shorter than 7.5cm that you can carry without having to explain for it will peel oranges, even a bluntish normal table knife will do it.

Can you tell me which law you think makes locking knives illegal?

 

[JohnPW]

Can you tell me which law you think makes locking knives illegal?

From https://www.gov.uk/find-out-if-i-can-bu ... ry-a-knife

Knives: the laws on buying and carrying

The laws about buying and carrying a knife depend on the type of knife, your age and your circumstances.
Basic laws on knives

It is illegal to:

sell a knife of any kind (including cutlery and kitchen knives) to anyone under 18
carry a knife in public without good reason - unless it’s a knife with a folding blade 3 inches long (7.62 cm) or less, eg a Swiss Army knife
carry, buy or sell any type of banned knife (the list of banned knives is below)
use any knife in a threatening way (even a legal knife, such as a Swiss Army knife)

Lock knives (knives with blades that can be locked when unfolded) are not folding knives, and are illegal to carry in public.

The maximum penalty for an adult carrying a knife is 4 years in prison and a fine of £5,000.
Good reasons for carrying a knife

Examples of good reasons to carry a knife in public can include:

taking knives you use at work to and from work
you’re taking knives to a gallery or museum to be exhibited
the knife is going to be used for theatre, film, television, historical reenactment or religious purposes (eg the kirpan some Sikhs carry)

A court will decide if you’ve got a good reason to carry a knife if you’re charged with carrying it illegally.
Knives that are illegal

There is a complete ban on the sale of some knives:

flick knives (also called ‘switchblades’ or ‘automatic knives’) - where the blade is hidden inside the handle and shoots out when a button is pressed
butterfly knives - where the blade is hidden inside a handle that splits in two around it, like wings; the handles swing around the blade to open or close it
disguised knives – eg where the blade is hidden inside a belt buckle or fake mobile phone
gravity knives
sword-sticks
samurai swords (with some exceptions, including antiques and swords made to traditional methods before 1954)
hand or foot-claws
push daggers
hollow kubotan (cylinder-shaped keychain) holding spikes
shuriken (also known as ‘death stars’ or ‘throwing stars’)
kusari-gama (sickle attached to a rope, cord or wire)
kyoketsu-shoge (hook-knife attached to a rope, cord or wire)
kusari (weight attached to a rope, cord or wire)

This is not a complete list of banned knives. Contact your local police to check if a knife is illegal or not.

The general idea is that it's illegal to carry in public *any* knife without good reason, except for a "knife with a folding blade 3 inches long (7.62 cm) or less".

 

[paultnl]

Once again this is an "interpretation" of law incorrectly stated as fact. There are many legitimate and valid reasons to carry all sorts of objects in public (including hands and feet) that could be used to bad effect by unscrupulous persons. It is up to the courts not the police or government websites to determine if an object is an offensive weapon based upon context.

 

[monkeybiter]

http://www.hunters-knives.co.uk/legal-information-for-knife-and-sword-ownership-in-the-uk/

Relevant passage...

A Crown Court case (Harris v DPP), ruled (case law). A lock knife for all legal purposes, is the same as a fixed blade knife. A folding pocket knife must be readily foldable at all times. If it has a mechanism that prevents folding, it's a lock knife (or for legal purposes, a fixed blade) The Court of Appeal (REGINA - v - DESMOND GARCIA DEEGAN 1998) upheld the Harris ruling stating that "folding was held to mean non-locking". No leave to appeal was granted.

 

[paultnl]

http://www.hunters-knives.co.uk/legal-information-for-knife-and-sword-ownership-in-the-uk/

Relevant passage...

A Crown Court case (Harris v DPP), ruled (case law). A lock knife for all legal purposes, is the same as a fixed blade knife. A folding pocket knife must be readily foldable at all times. If it has a mechanism that prevents folding, it's a lock knife (or for legal purposes, a fixed blade) The Court of Appeal (REGINA - v - DESMOND GARCIA DEEGAN 1998) upheld the Harris ruling stating that "folding was held to mean non-locking". No leave to appeal was granted.

Which says nothing about whether it is an offensive weapon or not merely legal nit picking about mechanisms, without the full context of the case it is not possible to form any legitimate conclusion. A screwdriver has a "fixed" blade and can, in most cases, be regarded as an innocent device but if used offensively is a deadly weapon. In the context of this discussion between woodworkers we can all claim legitimate use of a lock knife for whittling, trimming or other uses where the locking mechanism is a legitimate safety device.

 

[monkeybiter]

In the context of this discussion between woodworkers we can all claim legitimate use of a lock knife

You can claim what you like, legitimate or not, but a judge can make an interpretation of wooly legislation, and i'm not going to blindly expose my cash or my liberty to the irrationality of the law and the

merely legal nit picking about mechanisms

of the judge [etc.]. I'm most certainly unhappy about this situation [and several others] and I'd make a wild guess that you would be if you accepted it for what it really is as opposed to what you imagine it to be, but I've got many more important things to do in my remaining 25 years than a delusional crusade.




Also, in the same pocket I've got my keys which, if thrown hard enough, could cause a very bad attitude.

 

[Muswell]

My brother had a small lock-knife on his keyring which he used for peeling oranges for lunch etc. Going through security to attend a meeting at the Houses of Parliament in a professional capacity he was cautioned. He could have refused to accept in which case he would have been charged and gone to court.You may think it's daft, the person who stops you may think it's daft but the law exists.

The police often try and use cautions and fixed penalties as a way of avoiding having their questionable "interpretations" of the law being put under any scrutiny. If your brother had stood his ground I am sure that the magistrates would have seen it as nonsense.

Maybe but do you really want to be charged, go to court, pay for your defence and run the risk that the magistrate follows the letter of the law?