What is a rebated mortice lock

[Lonsdale73]

I've been told my garage doors require a rebated mortice lock and I'm wondering how I identify one from a regular mortice lock? Or are mortice locks by their very nature rebated?

 

[katellwood]

https://www.ironmongerydirect.co.uk/pro ... lsrc=aw.ds

 

[Doug71]

Normally for 5 lever type security locks you buy the lock and a rebate kit to match it.

https://www.marchesironmongery.co.uk/lo ... locks.html

They are a PITA to fit.

 

[oakfield]

Or you can use a normal mortice lock and a rebate kit to convert it to be used in a rebate.
If the doors you are fitting don’t have a rebate in the meeting edges and just use a cover strip on the inside/outside you can use a normal lock.

 

[Lonsdale73]

Okay, still head-scratching although building a better picture of what I think I need. As it's for external use and I want to ensure the contents of my garage (ie, all my tools) are secure then I'm looking at 5 lever models. My preference is for one that doesn't require a handle therefore a deadlock rather than sashlock? And if I'm understanding it right, deadlocks do not require a rebate kit? Still not sure how I identify a rebated version from a regular one. I've no time to order one online and wait for it to arrive so was hoping to find one at Screwfix or similar. They list 38 five lever deadlocks but no mention as to whether they are rebated or not.

 

[MikeJhn]

The rebate refers to the door not the lock in reality, if your doors do no overlap with a rebate then you don't need a rebated lock, as long as the door is thick enough to take the lock, personally I would fix a five lever face mounted slam lock on the inside, or one of these: https://www.mul-t-lock.com/Other/multlo ... html#179/z

 

[Lons]

Here's a Screwfix rebate kit. https://www.screwfix.com/p/smith-locke- ... teel/9531t
and here's a full lock with rebate kit https://www.screwfix.com/p/eurospec-2-l ... kset/2275t. no good as only 2 lever but might show you what it means.

 

[Doug71]

Yes if you don't want handles it's a dead lock you want but if your doors are rebated together where they meet you will still need a rebate set for the lock.

 

[Lonsdale73]

The rebate refers to the door not the lock in reality, if your doors do no overlap with a rebate then you don't need a rebated lock, as long as the door is thick enough to take the lock, personally I would fix a five lever face mounted slam lock on the inside, or one of these: https://www.mul-t-lock.com/Other/multlo ... html#179/z

The doors do overlap. They're 44mm wide so I'm guessing ~22mm rebate. One of the "professionals" who quoted said the standard Yale lock I'd bouught would work, two others have said it won't, most recent mentioning specifically the need for a rebated etc. That said, one of them has said the existing frame will need to be padded out to make the doors fit while two others have said the doors need trimming back (~10mm); I have been tempted to remove the rebate so I can use the Yale. This would also allow me to have the left hand door as the one that opens which better suits the layout of my workshop.

 

[Rich C]

How secure is your Yale lock? Most of them can be picked in under a minute with a credit card, so unless it's one which deadbolts the latch I wouldn't trust it.

 

[Trevanion]

Why don’t you use a face mounted 5-lever lock on the inside? That way you won’t have to touch the rebates at all, plus you’d also have the added security benefit threat the lock is on the inside of the door behind the rebates so no one can slip a credit card behind the lock or saw it etc...

If you have access to the garage from the house I wouldn’t bother having a key hole on the outside either.

 

[Lonsdale73]

Where would I find one of those? The garage is detached from the house. If I could access it from the house I'd have got rid of the up'n'over years ago and walled it off - wall space is good!

 

[Trevanion]

I thought it would be easy to find a face-mounted dead lock (rimlock) with decent security at a decent price. Pretty much all the cheaper ones I looked at were 1-lever locks and anything with more security was £50+

This was the fairest offering I could see for a 3-lever lock: https://www.lockshop-warehouse.co.uk/acatalog/union-1139-rim-deadlock.html

 

[Setch]

I haven't come across a decent rim lock in 10 years of locksmithing, they're pretty much universally for internal doors, shiplap sheds or gates, and are made of pressed chinesium sheet.

Get a decent BS 3621 deadlock with a rebate kit and follow the instructions to fit it.

You will also need to properly secure the 'normally closed leaf otherwise the doors will push open easily, even with the deadlock locked.

 

[Doug71]

I fitted one of these on a gate the other day, seemed quite heavy duty, you might be able to make one work on your doors if you don't want to go down the proper deadlock route.

https://www.ironmongerydirect.co.uk/pro ... lsrc=aw.ds

Rebated locks can be awkward to fit depending on which you get but do make a decent job. The problem is if your doors are only 45mm thick there isn't much wood left around the keep, you have to chisel very carefully.

 

[Lonsdale73]

Sorted now thanks. Thanks for all the input, from which I was able to distinguish between sash and deadlock so I was at least able to ask the right question of a company that specialises n the supply and fit of locks of all types and they're just minutes away.