What hinge?

[HawkEye]

Does not look right

 

[OllyK]

The problem is your picture is misleading. Your pivot point is different for the door shut vs door open. The sort of kitchen hinges being discussed can be purchases for doors that sit external to the carcass, as with most kitchen units, but you can also buy other that will work for doors that are internal, which I suspect is what you have. I used this on the cabinet I made for my fish tank and they work fine.

 

[HawkEye]

The problem is your picture is misleading. Your pivot point is different for the door shut vs door open. The sort of kitchen hinges being discussed can be purchases for doors that sit external to the carcass, as with most kitchen units, but you can also buy other that will work for doors that are internal, which I suspect is what you have. I used this on the cabinet I made for my fish tank and they work fine.

The reason I did that is to show the door opening. Its inccurate yes because the pivot point is on the opposite side but that would require me to draw over the door as its shown to be shut which I thought may be confusing. Are you saying that the hinge suggested in JasonB's drawing will work for this door?



So theres the pivot point.

 

[jasonB]

If my first drawing of the closed position is correct "door IN rebate" then this is what it will look like open. The pivot point is effectively somewhere within the arm/linkage/35mm cup.

J

 

[OllyK]

The problem is your picture is misleading. Your pivot point is different for the door shut vs door open. The sort of kitchen hinges being discussed can be purchases for doors that sit external to the carcass, as with most kitchen units, but you can also buy other that will work for doors that are internal, which I suspect is what you have. I used this on the cabinet I made for my fish tank and they work fine.

The reason I did that is to show the door opening. Its inccurate yes because the pivot point is on the opposite side but that would require me to draw over the door as its shown to be shut which I thought may be confusing. Are you saying that the hinge suggested in JasonB's drawing will work for this door?



So theres the pivot point.

The kitchen style ones will work for an internal fitting door as you have shown, just not the standard ones, you need to get some specialist ones. But they are reasonably easy to get hold of.

 

[HawkEye]

If my first drawing of the closed position is correct "door IN rebate" then this is what it will look like open. The pivot point is effectively somewhere within the arm/linkage/35mm cup.

J

You have drawn the hinge where the door would be if it was shut so I can't understand how it would work.

 

[HawkEye]

The problem is your picture is misleading. Your pivot point is different for the door shut vs door open. The sort of kitchen hinges being discussed can be purchases for doors that sit external to the carcass, as with most kitchen units, but you can also buy other that will work for doors that are internal, which I suspect is what you have. I used this on the cabinet I made for my fish tank and they work fine.

The reason I did that is to show the door opening. Its inccurate yes because the pivot point is on the opposite side but that would require me to draw over the door as its shown to be shut which I thought may be confusing. Are you saying that the hinge suggested in JasonB's drawing will work for this door?



So theres the pivot point.

The kitchen style ones will work for an internal fitting door as you have shown, just not the standard ones, you need to get some specialist ones. But they are reasonably easy to get hold of.

A concealed kitchen type specialist hinge? Most concealed hinges that I know of work when the door is sitting on the outside of the frame not inside. Would you be able to tell me the exact style of hinge your referring to or should I go looking on the internet?

 

[jasonB]

If my first drawing of the closed position is correct "door IN rebate" then this is what it will look like open. The pivot point is effectively somewhere within the arm/linkage/35mm cup.

J

You have drawn the hinge where the door would be if it was shut so I can't understand how it would work.

Look at the drawing, the door is OPEN, the earlier drawings show it closed FFS

Part of the ] hinge is within the 35mm hole when the door is closed ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)

Would you be able to tell me the exact style of hinge your referring to or should I go looking on the internet

Again its refered to as a Duel/twin/overlap depending where you buy from, its the one shown in the woodfit tech pages I linked to, its this hinge on this plate

 

[HawkEye]

If my first drawing of the closed position is correct "door IN rebate" then this is what it will look like open. The pivot point is effectively somewhere within the arm/linkage/35mm cup.

J

You have drawn the hinge where the door would be if it was shut so I can't understand how it would work.

Look at the drawing, the door is OPEN, the earlier drawings show it closed FFS

Part of the ] hinge is within the 35mm hole when the door is closed ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)

Would you be able to tell me the exact style of hinge your referring to or should I go looking on the internet

Again its refered to as a Duel/twin/overlap depending where you buy from, its the one shown in the woodfit tech pages I linked to, its this hinge on this plate

I realise that the hinge is in a hole in the door side but in the picture you have the door sitting external to the frame do you not? If that were to work in practice as in the picture the door would shut over the mounting hinge would it not?

 

[Oryxdesign]

No, try Issac lord for some hinges, I don't use Blum so I can't give you the Part numbers but hopefully somebody else might be able to.
What Jason is trying very hard to explain to you is entirely accurate.

 

[matt]

Do you want to specifically avoid using butt hinges?

 

[HawkEye]

If my first drawing of the closed position is correct "door IN rebate" then this is what it will look like open. The pivot point is effectively somewhere within the arm/linkage/35mm cup.

J

You have drawn the hinge where the door would be if it was shut so I can't understand how it would work.

Look at the drawing, the door is OPEN, the earlier drawings show it closed FFS

Part of the ] hinge is within the 35mm hole when the door is closed ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)

Would you be able to tell me the exact style of hinge your referring to or should I go looking on the internet

Again its refered to as a Duel/twin/overlap depending where you buy from, its the one shown in the woodfit tech pages I linked to, its this hinge on this plate

I realise that the hinge is in a hole in the door side but in the picture you have the door sitting external to the frame do you not? If that were to work in practice as in the picture the door would shut over the mounting hinge would it not?

Haha I understand it now. Yeah that looks great. I have a few of these hinges already but I will need to buy some mounting plates. Thank you for the diagrams Jason, it would save you alot of bother if you used a software called Paint on most windows operating system. It would save you drawing the picture, taking a picture of it then uploading it. I appreciate the effort that you have gone to do that.

 

[HawkEye]

No, try Issac lord for some hinges, I don't use Blum so I can't give you the Part numbers but hopefully somebody else might be able to.
What Jason is trying very hard to explain to you is entirely accurate.

What is so good about Issac Lord?

Do you want to specifically avoid using butt hinges?

Yes I don't like them very much.

 

[Jake]

Thank you for the diagrams Jason, it would save you alot of bother if you used a software called Paint on most windows operating system. It would save you drawing the picture, taking a picture of it then uploading it. I appreciate the effort that you have gone to do that.

I think it would have saved him even more bother if you'd tried harder to understand what his drawing meant!

 

[HawkEye]

Thank you for the diagrams Jason, it would save you alot of bother if you used a software called Paint on most windows operating system. It would save you drawing the picture, taking a picture of it then uploading it. I appreciate the effort that you have gone to do that.

I think it would have saved him even more bother if you'd tried harder to understand what his drawing meant!

I understand it now.

 

[jasonB]

it would save you alot of bother if you used a software called Paint on most windows operating system

Well at least my very quick sketches were correct and the pivot point was in the right place :wink: With the camera right by me it was quicker to sketch by hand, and either way still needs uploading.

Just make sure the hinges you have are duel, they look similar to layon and inset hinges but the dranked arm has a different offset. also ensure the plates are suitable for your hinge ie same make and fixing - if Blum they do module, clip & cliptop hinges. And do a test on scrap to get the edge diostance correct.

Jason

 

[HawkEye]

it would save you alot of bother if you used a software called Paint on most windows operating system

Well at least my very quick sketches were correct and the pivot point was in the right place :wink: With the camera right by me it was quicker to sketch by hand, and either way still needs uploading.

Just make sure the hinges you have are duel, they look similar to layon and inset hinges but the dranked arm has a different offset. also ensure the plates are suitable for your hinge ie same make and fixing - if Blum they do module, clip & cliptop hinges. And do a test on scrap to get the edge diostance correct.

Jason

Instead of the 66x31 size hinge you suggested in the link, why don't I get a 66x40 as shown on this webpage '' CLIP top profile door hinge, 95 deg opening angle'' as shown here..



You have said that it must be duel hinge but if some of these hinges are specifically designed for inset application would that not be better?

 

[jasonB]

NO NO NO

If you had a fully inset door you could then use an inset hinge. As you have designed a frame/carcase with a 6mm rebate you will have to do what has been suggested. A fully inset hinge will leave you with a 6mm + gap around the door.

Jason

 

[HawkEye]

Right ok then.

I will go to B&Q and see if they sell any concealed 95' 66x31 size hinges and some 3mm thick mounting plates as you have suggested. If they don't I will have to buy them online.