Wadkin manual for bursfold sliding table?

[Niels J. Larsen]

Hi,

I've recently acquired a Wadkin 10" A.G.S. saw with a bursfold (I believe) sliding table.

Does anyone have a manual for the sliding table?

Cheers,
Niels

 

[DaveL]

Hi Niels,

Welcome to the forum.

I have an AGS10, great saw will out last me, but no sliding table, not much help am I. :roll:

 

[Niels J. Larsen]

Hi Niels,

Welcome to the forum.

I have an AGS10, great saw will out last me, but no sliding table, not much help am I. :roll:

Well......no but thanks for the welcome

Although you might answer another question for me:

Do you experience any vibration when your saw is running and if so - how much? Will a tool laying on the side tables rattle when the saw is running?

 

[9fingers]

Hi Niels,

A common source of vibration on new owner -old machines is that where the machine has sat unused for a long period and the belt takes on a permanent set and then when pressed into service it vibrates.
New belts should not be expensive and can often cure the problem
It can also be caused by a loose pulley at one end or the other.

I assume that the blade is running true both radially and axially?

Good Luck

Bob

 

[9fingers]

Quite few old manuals here:-

http://www.daltonsmachines.com/downloads-old.html

Bob

 

[Niels J. Larsen]

Hi Niels,

A common source of vibration on new owner -old machines is that where the machine has sat unused for a long period and the belt takes on a permanent set and then when pressed into service it vibrates.
New belts should not be expensive and can often cure the problem
It can also be caused by a loose pulley at one end or the other.

I assume that the blade is running true both radially and axially?

Good Luck

Bob

Bob,

I've performed an (almost) complete overhaul on the saw:

- new bearings on the arbor
- had the arbor shaft mounted in a lathe and had the arbor flange runout removed
- new drivebelts
- cleaned, greased and adjusted adjustments (depth and angle etc.)
- cleaned the table(s)
- new electronics (switches, emergency stop etc.)

So, the old belts is a non-issue and yes, the blade is running true. The saw was assembled with the old belts after the rest of the overhaul was complete and after noticing the vibration I bought new ones. That didn't help.

I haven't checked the pulleys for runout, but I know that they are not loose.

I've also read about the Power twist drivebelts and that's probably the way I'm taking as the next step.

 

[Niels J. Larsen]

Quite few old manuals here:-

http://www.daltonsmachines.com/downloads-old.html

Bob

Thanks for the link, but I've already checked that one out and downloaded what they had for the Wadkin I own.

I've also contacted Wadkin and they've sent me a few manuals, but not the correct one.... Maybe they'll come up with something, but I figured I'll post here in the meantime.

The manual for the saw states that there's a separate manual for the sliding table - that's the one I want

 

[9fingers]

Hi Niels,

A common source of vibration on new owner -old machines is that where the machine has sat unused for a long period and the belt takes on a permanent set and then when pressed into service it vibrates.
New belts should not be expensive and can often cure the problem
It can also be caused by a loose pulley at one end or the other.

I assume that the blade is running true both radially and axially?

Good Luck

Bob

Bob,

I've performed an (almost) complete overhaul on the saw:

- new bearings on the arbor
- had the arbor shaft mounted in a lathe and had the arbor flange runout removed
- new drivebelts
- cleaned, greased and adjusted adjustments (depth and angle etc.)
- cleaned the table(s)
- new electronics (switches, emergency stop etc.)

So, the old belts is a non-issue and yes, the blade is running true. The saw was assembled with the old belts after the rest of the overhaul was complete and after noticing the vibration I bought new ones. That didn't help.

I haven't checked the pulleys for runout, but I know that they are not loose.

I've also read about the Power twist drivebelts and that's probably the way I'm taking as the next step.

OK you have been pretty thorough Niels.

Not sure what to suggest next. Is it 3 phase and running on a capacitor phase shift converter by any chance? The phase balance might be out. This problem would normally accompanied by more noise from the motor.

Bob

 

[Niels J. Larsen]

OK you have been pretty thorough Niels.

Not sure what to suggest next. Is it 3 phase and running on a capacitor phase shift converter by any chance? The phase balance might be out. This problem would normally accompanied by more noise from the motor.

Bob

Yes it's 3 phase but running on 3 phase power. Everybody here in Denmark has 3 phase..... 8)

 

[9fingers]

I give in!

Good luck with finding the source and please let us know what it is.

Cheers

Bob

 

[Niels J. Larsen]

I give in!

Good luck with finding the source and please let us know what it is.

Cheers

Bob

Thanks for your suggestions.

Just to be sure I'm not on a wild goose chase - how much vibration is considered "okay" and how do I "measure" it?

 

[9fingers]

Not exactly a scientific or calibrated test but my table saw which is 3hp single phase has an acceptably low level of vibration to me.
It has a sheet metal cabinet and cast iron top (Xcaliber 806)
I have just done a quick test. I can balance a 300mm steel rule 12mm wide and 0.5mm thick on its narrow edge and it does not fall over when the saw is running. Looking very closely is had a slight wobble as the saw is slowing down so there are some resonance effects there but during starting/running/stopping on about 5 tests, the rule stays on its edge.

OH yes and I did not cheat - the rule is not bent!

HTH

Bob

 

[misterfish]

I've got a Wadkin 10 BRT - which is basically an AGS 10 with a sliding table

My saw is labelled Wadkin Bursgreen (I think the Bursgreen is the manufacturing location).

I have never managed to find any manual for the sliding table and most of the time don't have it fixed to the saw as it takes up too much space in the workshop. The fence on the sliding table extends to a width of almost 3 metres but is fixed at 90 dgrees to the blade. If this is like the one you are talking about then if I can give you the 'benefit' of my limited experience if you want.

Misterfish

 

[Niels J. Larsen]

Thanks for your reply.

It's not the same sliding table as mine - mine is obviously older than yours.

It's not that I can't get it to function properly - it's just because I'd like to see what the original fence looks like and how you adjust everything, as I suspect my fence is NOT the original one.

And then I'm just being persistant I guess - when the manual says that there's a separate manual for the sliding table - well then I want it :roll:

 

[Boz62]

Hi,

Regarding the vibration, an easy way to "measure" it is using a clock gauge. I've successfully used this method for balancing the wheels in my bandsaw. Not an absolute measurement, but it does give repeatable, if crude, relative results so can be used for comparing improvements as you make them, Use of the gauge is shown in this article:
http://wiki.owwm.com/Default.aspx?Page=BandsawBladeBalancing

Good luck with your restoration

Boz

 

[Niels J. Larsen]

Hi,

Regarding the vibration, an easy way to "measure" it is using a clock gauge. I've successfully used this method for balancing the wheels in my bandsaw. Not an absolute measurement, but it does give repeatable, if crude, relative results so can be used for comparing improvements as you make them, Use of the gauge is shown in this article:
http://wiki.owwm.com/Default.aspx?Page=BandsawBladeBalancing

Good luck with your restoration

Boz

Thanks for that link!

Very useful - also for balancing my bandsaw

Niels

 

[Niels J. Larsen]

So....anyone with a manual for my "bursfold" sliding table attached to my Wadkin 10" A.G.S.?

 

[misterfish]

http://www.focus21.co.nz/woodworking/wadkin-manuals.asp is the only specific 'offer' of the manual I can find. This is a real bargain at $44.90 (NZ) for 4 pages - I expect delivery to UK will cost even more. (About £2.50 to the £)

I don't think I would consider paying that much for such a small manual!

Misterfish

 

[Niels J. Larsen]

http://www.focus21.co.nz/woodworking/wadkin-manuals.asp is the only specific 'offer' of the manual I can find. This is a real bargain at $44.90 (NZ) for 4 pages - I expect delivery to UK will cost even more. (About £2.50 to the £)

I don't think I would consider paying that much for such a small manual!

Misterfish

Thanks for taking the effort to find this!

Don't know why I didn't find it when I googled for the manual, but you're right - it seems overly expensive!

Niels