Veritas PM-V11 plane irons for Stanley & Record

[Phil Pascoe]

The one that always cracks me up is the Mitsubishi "Pajero" - they didn't research that one.

 

[Phil Pascoe]

It might have been interesting to have had the views of our Australian and Dutch friends thrown into the cauldron. :lol:

 

[D_W]

I tried some once and I think my expectation was a little skewed. I thought it would be like 01 to hone based on the information and feedback I'd read, however it seemed very similar to A2. I'm unlikely to need anything more than 01 or older W1 stuff. The only replacement irons that have suited my needs have been the Ray Iles 01, they have a great range for common bench planes. Perhaps if I feel the need to shave a vast amount of "pendejo" PMV 11 could be just the ticket.

On a side note I do appreciate Charles' input. He does, from what I can tell, actually make stuff and has a wide range of skills. Without DW, Charles and Jacob it would much less informative and without input like theirs forums can become an echo chamber.

We'd love to actually see Charlie's work, but finding it is like looking for hen's teeth.

O1 and W1 are still the best types of steel for razors (and shaving), though a slightly softer V11 would probably work. Henckels made tons of straight razors out of 440c that was cryogenically treated, and V11 seems a lot like powder 440c. The henckels razors were good enough that they are very popular with Japanese barbers.

At any rate, I see that the LV V11 irons are about 44 pounds over there. I'll bet if someone didn't like them, they'd be out about 10 pounds after resale. I wouldn't buy ten at once, but there's no harm in one. They're actually pretty easy to sharpen even on oilstones (as is A2) if you add a fine india to the mix.

 

[D_W]

I did not realise that my post would unleash such passion. Thank you everyone for your opinions... and entertainment.

Reading such strong conflicted opinions did put me off for a bit, but I do think I'll take a punt next payday for my smoother plane to see for myself and form my own opinion... and I hope that doesn't offend anyone :wink:

That is exactly what you should do. When everyone loves something, you're pretty safe getting it. When everyone hates something, it's probably good to avoid. When 1/3rd love something, 1/3rd hate it and 1/3rd are indifferent, you'll need to try it for yourself.

 

[swagman]

It might have been interesting to have had the views of our Australian and Dutch friends thrown into the cauldron. :lol:

Count me out.

 

[G S Haydon]

I tried some once and I think my expectation was a little skewed. I thought it would be like 01 to hone based on the information and feedback I'd read, however it seemed very similar to A2. I'm unlikely to need anything more than 01 or older W1 stuff. The only replacement irons that have suited my needs have been the Ray Iles 01, they have a great range for common bench planes. Perhaps if I feel the need to shave a vast amount of "pendejo" PMV 11 could be just the ticket.

On a side note I do appreciate Charles' input. He does, from what I can tell, actually make stuff and has a wide range of skills. Without DW, Charles and Jacob it would much less informative and without input like theirs forums can become an echo chamber.

We'd love to actually see Charlie's work, but finding it is like looking for hen's teeth.

O1 and W1 are still the best types of steel for razors (and shaving), though a slightly softer V11 would probably work. Henckels made tons of straight razors out of 440c that was cryogenically treated, and V11 seems a lot like powder 440c. The henckels razors were good enough that they are very popular with Japanese barbers.

At any rate, I see that the LV V11 irons are about 44 pounds over there. I'll bet if someone didn't like them, they'd be out about 10 pounds after resale. I wouldn't buy ten at once, but there's no harm in one. They're actually pretty easy to sharpen even on oilstones (as is A2) if you add a fine india to the mix.

Sure, I think Charles did post a picture of a Walnut table he'd made when there was a thread about how long projects would take when done by hand. I saw a picture of him sweaty after a session with a jack plane 8) and he has discussed that he does construction carpentry too. So no PM V11 for my "Peddejo", I'll revert to vintage.....

 

[Corneel]

It's all highly entertaining. That's my (dutch) view on this thread.

 

[D_W]

David, are you talking about George Wilson, the retired instrument maker from Colonial Williamsburg? I guess you are, but I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt that there's another George you're talking about that made furniture and at the level and scale of Alan Peters' operation or somebody of similar stature. Can you clarify? Provide examples, etc.?

Peters was one of the most important designer/makers, of furniture, of the 20th century.

There is more to life than furniture. The term "maker" doesn't limit someone to furniture.

As far as George goes: instrument maker (I see nothing that Peters did that looks more difficult than the spinet George makes on video), tool maker, gun maker (not assembler, but maker of 18th century guns including fabricating the metal parts), machine refurbisher (not tablesaws, but things like Hardinge HLVH lathes - you know, the ones that NASA uses that will work to 4 100 thousandths of an inch), die maker, jeweler, pattern maker. Went to college and learned design from Will Riemann.

I went and looked at more Alan Peters items. It's great that he got picked up and recognized, and that he influenced future makers (the work of some of his follow-ons looks more interesting). Some of the things are just awful to look at, like a cabinet with intentionally exposed through dovetails in the drawers - staring right at an onlooker. I'm not a professional anything when it comes to design, but I just wonder what someone was thinking making something like that - I hope it was due to a deep-pocketed customer making that decision.

I see nothing to suggest he's a better maker than George Wilson - not close - he just has more notoriety and made only one thing. I see scads of things that George has made that Peters probably couldn't dream of making (pan/olympus lute, brinkley compass,...) - he's not alive and young to give it a go, so who knows?

Maybe if George wrote a book about himself and taught more people, he'd have more notoriety - I'll bet he was actually busy making in his off hours. His opinion about A2, and use of it in a practical situation before there were forums or toolmakers using it, carries plenty of weight. I wouldn't value my opinion over George's, or suggest anyone else should. Nor would I give yours any weight compared to George's. Zero. He made a living as a maker - the kind where he was primary wage earner. No books, no students. A small fraction of his work is pictured all over the internet - both machine assisted and completely by hand.

 

[Derek Cohen (Perth Oz)]

His opinion about A2, and use of it in a practical situation before there were forums or toolmakers using it, carries plenty of weight.

... and his high opinion of PM-V11 as well :wink:

I couldn't resist that ...

Regards from Perth

Derek

 

[nabs]

re. 'pendejo' , you may be interested in this pubic hair factoid: it is possible to get pube-toupees, and they are called a 'merkins'. The historically minded amongst us will no doubt be doubly interested to know that they date back to the 1400s!

no need to thank me!

 

[D_W]

His opinion about A2, and use of it in a practical situation before there were forums or toolmakers using it, carries plenty of weight.

... and his high opinion of PM-V11 as well :wink:

I couldn't resist that ...

Regards from Perth

Derek

Yes, he does like that quite a bit! I thought we might see some exotic pocket knives made of it, but I don't know if he ever got stock to do that.

 

[Phil Pascoe]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Merkin-Set-Dar ... B00A784PP6 :lol: