US Election November 5th

[RobinBHM]

If Trump refuses to support NATO unless members contribute 2.5% the Labour Party might have to raise taxes again so we do contribute the 2.5%

The Trump lovers on here might wanna think about that. Tony!

On the positive side Trumps isolationist attitude will mean U.K. will look to build closer relationship with EU. ….Tony!

 

[Phil Pascoe]

For crying out loud, it's a JOKE. We left whingers have been the butt of enough of those since Labour got in. Lighten up dear.

Get used to it, others have had fourteen years of it.

 

[Phil Pascoe]

Except the 1%. Labour still be supporting the Israeli genocide I expect, unless there's no-one left to kill.

Jacob, if it were genocide it would have been over and done with in the first week.

 

[Chris152]

Jacob, if it were genocide it would have been over and done with in the first week.

Unless they had to be more strategic about it.

 

[RobinBHM]

Get used to it, others have had fourteen years of it.

2010 - 2024 Country destroyed in that time

1997 - 2010 metrics show this to be a very good period, stable economy (except Global crisis that would’ve affected ANY govt the same), best NHS with lowest waiting lists, lower pensioner poverty lower child poverty, good public services.


What’s going to happen in America…..Trumps policies indicate it won’t be good

 

[RobinBHM]

Jacob, if it were genocide it would have been over and done with in the first week.

What Israel have done to Gaza is pretty awful, its more like ethnic cleansing than genocide.

 

[Jacob]

What Israel have done to Gaza is pretty awful, its more like ethnic cleansing than genocide.

Oh that's OK then?
Are you standing with Starmer for Israel too?
Estimated 100,000+ dead, most still under the rubble.
Still going on and spreading through the area.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...en-children-un-rights-office-says-2024-11-08/
Starmer still supplying arms.

 

[Jacob]

Jacob, if it were genocide it would have been over and done with in the first week.

They are pretending to be defending themselves whilst committing genocide, as they have been from 1947. They couldn't go the whole hog or people might notice, even Starmer!
Why kid yourself? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide

 

[ey_tony]

Kamala WHO?
Trump trounced Harris, won the popular vote and the Republicans dominate the house, I think the American people have spoken and made their choice!
It's just pity that the nut-jobs of the left wing in the UK can't be silenced.
He's their president and like it or not we have to work with the American government so we don't need left wing dung-heads making things harder just because their little minds don't approve of Trump.

 

[AJB Temple]

What Israel have done to Gaza is pretty awful, its more like ethnic cleansing than genocide.

Tricky though - the original Hamas atrocity was pretty bad, especially when you research what they did to women, with multiple rapes and disfigurement. Difficult to see a solution to this issue and it is undoubtedly complicated by western interests including oil in the region. Beats me how this is going to get resolved. The UK has minimal influence these days and we don't really understand the cultures at play, but the last thing we want is to be getting busy in Iran and Iraq again.

Edit: I realise that "original" can be argued. This goes back a long way. Perhaps it is more the latest trigger.

 

[AJB Temple]

They are pretending to be defending themselves whilst committing genocide, as they have been from 1947. They couldn't go the whole hog or people might notice, even Starmer!
Why kid yourself? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide

The Wiki article also makes reference to other genocides. Both sides accuse each other and both sides have academics and commentators cheerleading for them. Both sides are intent on destruction of the other. When you start mixing up land claims with religion its a recipe for perpetual conflict.

 

[sploo]

Kamala WHO?
Trump trounced Harris, won the popular vote and the Republicans dominate the house, I think the American people have spoken and made their choice!
It's just pity that the nut-jobs of the left wing in the UK can't be silenced.
He's their president and like it or not we have to work with the American government so we don't need left wing dung-heads making things harder just because their little minds don't approve of Trump.

I agree.

I mean, could you imagine people in the UK seeing Labour win the vote then constantly complaining about Starmer?

Oh. Yeah... Tony...

 

[Jacob]

.... Both sides are intent on destruction of the other....

Not true. The Zionist movement set about settler colonisation of Palestine, nothing equivalent going on in the other direction (other than in Germany of course). In fact the various religions had lived side by side happily in Palestine, prior to this.

 

[ey_tony]

I agree.

I mean, could you imagine people in the UK seeing Labour win the vote then constantly complaining about Starmer?

Oh. Yeah... Tony...

You don't get it do you sploo!
It's not the Americans complaining about Starmer, it's those who even voted for him who are complaining. He's a dunce.
The Americans have made their choice and it should be left at that.

Anti-Trump sentiment is NOT going to do the UK any good where working relationships are concerned especially when the people who deride him DON'T speak for the British people and it's about time they shut up and kept their opinions to themselves.

Is there any wonder why I've always held the view that basically there's nothing wrong with socialism, it's the people who follow it which is the problem. Threads like this provide all the evidence one needs to see that the left wingers are determined to destroy the UK's relationship with Trump and his government at virtually any cost otherwise they'd shut their gobs.

 

[sploo]

You don't get it do you sploo!
It's not the Americans complaining about Starmer, it's those who even voted for him who are complaining. He's a dunce.
The Americans have made their choice and it should be left at that.

Anti-Trump sentiment is NOT going to do the UK any good where working relationships are concerned especially when the people who deride him DON'T speak for the British people and it's about time they shut up and kept their opinions to themselves.

Is there any wonder why I've always held the view that basically there's nothing wrong with socialism, it's the people who follow it which is the problem. Threads like this provide all the evidence one needs to see that the left wingers are determined to destroy the UK's relationship with Trump and his government at virtually any cost otherwise they'd shut their gobs.

Americans don't complain about Starmer because, in reality, what the UK does likely has little bearing on them or the world. The US has much larger and more powerful influence on the planet, and therefore the actions of a US President can have a meaningful impact on us in the UK.

Anti-trump sentiment is nothing to do with socialism; it's the bizarre notion that choosing a candidate that is a narcissistic man-child with felony convictions might not be the best choice for the world.

On that subject, one of his advisers is already suggesting that the Ukraine should effectively concede to Putin: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czxrwr078v7o

 

[selectortone]

Americans don't complain about Starmer because, in reality, what the UK does likely has little bearing on them or the world.

A lot of Americans probably don't know, or care, who Starmer is. Like their baseball they have this 'World Series' mentality where the world stops at the east and west coasts and the rest is a fog where there be dragons.

 

[AJB Temple]

Americans don't complain about Starmer because, in reality, what the UK does likely has little bearing on them or the world. The US has much larger and more powerful influence on the planet, and therefore the actions of a US President can have a meaningful impact on us in the UK.

Anti-trump sentiment is nothing to do with socialism; it's the bizarre notion that choosing a candidate that is a narcissistic man-child with felony convictions might not be the best choice for the world.

On that subject, one of his advisers is already suggesting that the Ukraine should effectively concede to Putin: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czxrwr078v7o

Media bias is affecting this though. Calling an elderly man a "man-child" doesn't achieve much and his side would argue that the felony aspects were deeply politically motivated using a rigged judiciary. It's not dead straightforward and Biden is no saint, even less so his kids. Anyway, Trump is the man now.

As for the Ukraine point, they've said that US interests are not the same as Ukraine's - which is self evidently true, and that Ukraine can kiss goodbye to Crimea. People need to be realistic here: the US cares more about relations with Russia than those with Ukraine, and will certainly not want to pour US money into a fight against Russia. Therefore pragmatically they will try to force rapid cessation of hostilities by saying to Putin "we will turn off the weapons tap to Ukraine if you stop trying to grab more land." You may not like this but it is what will happen. Hence they are preparing the ground now.

The Russian mentality is not at all similar to a western one and many commentators fail to allow for this.

 

[AJB Temple]

Not true. The Zionist movement set about settler colonisation of Palestine, nothing equivalent going on in the other direction (other than in Germany of course). In fact the various religions had lived side by side happily in Palestine, prior to this.

You misunderstand me. There is no point rehashing history - I was talking about only the events of the past year.

As it happens I think plonking Isreal in the middle of a bunch of Arab territories in order to re-settle he Jews after WWII genocide, was a really stupid idea dreamt up at a time when the UK was still pretending to be an Empire and both we and the Americans were basking in the all powerful glow of victory. I know, Bethlehem, Jesus and all that: but religion is a human construct and everybody in that area chooses to believe something different.

Though Islam dominates now, there are at least 20 different religions in the area. You couldn't make it up .....except they did.

 

[Croolis]

As for the Ukraine point, they've said that US interests are not the same as Ukraine's - which is self evidently true, and that Ukraine can kiss goodbye to Crimea. People need to be realistic here: the US cares more about relations with Russia than those with Ukraine, and will certainly not want to pour US money into a fight against Russia.

The Russian mentality is not at all similar to a western one and many commentators fail to allow for this.

One has to wonder why the new GOP administration cares more about Russia than Ukraine. That's certainly a departure from previous GOP. The answer, I suspect, lies in their apparent desire to run down NATO. Again, why I dunno. I'm sure it's not just because they have a bag on about other NATO countries not paying their own way - that's just an excuse. What's going on? No tin foil hats either.

 

[ey_tony]

Americans don't complain about Starmer because, in reality, what the UK does likely has little bearing on them or the world. The US has much larger and more powerful influence on the planet, and therefore the actions of a US President can have a meaningful impact on us in the UK.

Anti-trump sentiment is nothing to do with socialism; it's the bizarre notion that choosing a candidate that is a narcissistic man-child with felony convictions might not be the best choice for the world.

On that subject, one of his advisers is already suggesting that the Ukraine should effectively concede to Putin: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czxrwr078v7o

If Trump was so bad then why did he wipe the floor with Harris and even win the popular vote?
Surely votes for the presidency were hers to lose not Trump's to win if he was remotely as bad as the left leaners of the UK claim? It really shows just how bad she must have been to lose to Trump. Embarrassing and cringeworthy doesn't aptly describe the drumming the Democrats got from Trump.

Sorry but I'm just not into all this bitter left wing nonsense....crikey it must be **** being a left wing supporter with all that misery and despair!
Even worse, the UK's left even expected Harris to win, well that one was put to sleep very early on in election night. She never even looked like coming close...she's just a loser like the rest of the Democrats.

As for the suggestion that Ukraine concede to Russia, that's nothing new and if one of Trump's advisers are suggesting that then they are just re-hashing ideas that have been circulating for a while now.
I suspect both sides would prefer a negotiated settlement both to save face and lives and I'm sure that it will come about that nobody loses just like in British schools which have adopted that philosophy with children.