Trumpy

[jnw010]

"Extreme liberals" - that's a new one! :lol: What about "extreme supporters of civilisation" ?

You might not have noticed, but Trump is showing distinct signs of being stupid and racist.

Extreme supporters of civilisation. That'll be the ones setting fire to a limo, throwing trash cans through windows, and talking about blowing up the Whitehouse? Very civilised.

I wouldn't say Trump is stupid. He comes out with some crazy stuff, but you can't deny that it has been very effective at getting media coverage and getting heard. He's pretty much come from nowhere (politically) and won the presidency.

My point is screeching abuse isn't going to work. Intelligently pulling apart his policies, offering better answers would.
None of these protests seem to have offering that yet. The left need to find a voice that can articulate a view, rather than just name calling.

 

[Jacob]

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I wouldn't say Trump is stupid. He comes out with some crazy stuff, but you can't deny that it has been very effective at getting media coverage ...

Dunno I think he is obviously utterly stupid.
Any maniac can get media coverage if they try hard enough.
Here's a couple:

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Libtards of the world unite

 

[monkeybiter]

Intelligently pulling apart his policies, offering better answers would.
None of these protests seem to have offering that yet. The left need to find a voice that can articulate a view, rather than just name calling.

Unfortunately that approach, no matter how rational, well behaved and civilised, won't have any impact on the sort of people that have fallen for DT's
populist playground name-calling and bullsnot.
What worries me, in the longer term than the 4 years of retrograde motion, is that the politicians both sides of the pond don't seem to be even trying
to hide their lies, with the brexit campaigns over here, and over there, even after he won they're being fed 'alternative facts' and it will work.

 

[bugbear]

What worries me, in the longer term than the 4 years of retrograde motion, is that the politicians both sides of the pond don't seem to be even trying
to hide their lies, with the brexit campaigns over here, and over there, even after he won they're being fed 'alternative facts' and it will work.

Agreed - the notion that a politician might be the least embaressed to not keep a campaign pledge is so old fashioned.

BugBear

 

[Jacob]

Intelligently pulling apart his policies, offering better answers would.
None of these protests seem to have offering that yet. The left need to find a voice that can articulate a view, rather than just name calling.

They have Sanders (who might have beaten Trump if he had had support from the democrats), we have Corbyn - his day may yet come in spite of the intense vilification from the media.
Both patently honest, both promoting a very moderate and civilised democratic socialist agenda, both deeply hated by conservatives.
The grotesque nonsense of Trump might bring people to their senses.

The good news is; we are unlikely ever to see Paul Nutter PhD as PM. But then who knows - we live in very strange times. :shock:

 

[Random Orbital Bob]

I have "quiet" hope because if you think about it, the growth of liberalism (or lets just call it civilisation because that's really what it is), has been won over many centuries and has survived a great many attempts to thwart it including of course 2 recent world wars.

If people really believe that a complete waste of oxygen like Trump is going to bring down an entire cultural framework, despite right wing rumblings in Europe and sabre rattling from Russia, all the evidence is to the contrary when viewed in a historical context.

It's a blip (a worrying one I grant you) but it is a flash of madness which is driven by unprecedented access to mass communication. People are being influenced in new and rapid ways (social media etc) that society hasn't really caught up with yet.

What I wonder is how much pain will we all have to endure in order to "prove" that lurching to the right is incorrect strategy for economic and social progress. How long will the blip be before it self corrects?

But mark my words, a lunatic like trump wont last. You simply cannot occupy an office like the presidency of the US and disrespect it to the extent he is doing, without the checks and balances eventually removing the cancer. That's the way society functions. Society is way more powerful than any individual.

 

[stuartpaul]

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But mark my words, a lunatic like trump wont last. You simply cannot occupy an office like the presidency of the US and disrespect it to the extent he is doing, without the checks and balances eventually removing the cancer. That's the way society functions. Society is way more powerful than any individual.

Sorry Bob, - whilst I'd love to agree with you there is a need to understand just how polarised American politics is. For example, the subject of abortion is completely divisive and I find it difficult to understand how in the second decade of the 21st Century that attitudes can be so backward. I don't claim to have any special insight but I do have a number of close friends out there at both ends of the spectrum and the gulf between views is frighteningly large.

Quite how the next year or so will go is likely to be 'interesting' to say the least. And the UK's 'special relationship' means diddly squat.

 

[RobinBHM]

It seems ironic that a country with a population started largely by settlers from other countries should now be shutting its borders.

Given the huge problems with gun crime and race issues in the US, terrorism should be a bit further down the list in priority.

Clearly DT thinks having simplistic views, like the views that might be passed around on a Friday night in the pub can translate into positive action. We should allow DT to come for a state visit it will be a good opportunity for his dumb ideas to be seen over here.

 

[Nelsun]

His recent comments about how, in Iraq, the US should "keep the oil" and how they may "get another chance" are about the most worrying thing he's said to date IMO. It beggars belief how the words come out of his mouth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOsWcEoKfp4

This is made even more worrying when you appoint the CEO of Exxon as the new... Secretary of State!

My forehead is starting to bruise from all the facepalming I've been doing since 20th January.

 

[dzj]

Ever since Mr. Reagan's second term in office when he was in the clutches of Alzheimer's
and the presidency of Bush the Younger, I seriously doubt that elected officials over there are the ones
actually running things.
It will be interesting to see if there will be substantial changes in the US under Mr. Trump, or will the
inertia of the world's largest economy have a mind of its own.

 

[El Barto]

It seems ironic that a country with a population started largely by settlers from other countries should now be shutting its borders.

Given the huge problems with gun crime and race issues in the US, terrorism should be a bit further down the list in priority.

Clearly DT thinks having simplistic views, like the views that might be passed around on a Friday night in the pub can translate into positive action. We should allow DT to come for a state visit it will be a good opportunity for his dumb ideas to be seen over here.

It's completely ironic, and painfully hypocritical. But that's the GOP for you. Jared Kushner (Donald's son in law and advisor) is something like a second generation immigrant. That is a very short amount of time to forget his own roots and back a ban on immigration. Donald's own parents were immigrants. America is a country founded by immigrants. The only difference between now and then is that a vast amount of refugees have been displaced because of America's invasions and conflicts aboard. That's irony.

Here is a tweet from Mike Pence before he was Donald's running mate:

Here is one from Paul Ryan from August 2016:

That their original beliefs were so swiftly dropped at the faintest glimpse of power is shameful. There are at least still republicans out there who continue to back their convictions (John McCain the most obvious example), but unfortunately they're in the minority and do not have the president's ear.

 

[lurker]

Mods: Time to lock this thread so we can all get back to arguing about sharpening.

 

[El Barto]

Mods: Time to lock this thread so we can all get back to arguing about sharpening.

+100000000000

 

[Random Orbital Bob]

Agreed. Now...scary sharp...what a load of rubbish......