Triton MSA200 Adjustable

[chippy1970]

Has anyone got or used these.

http://tritontools.co.uk/product_info.p ... ucts_id=58

I am thinking of using two of these as supports for a panel cutting bench for use with my TS55 saw and rails.

I thought these would be good as they flip so you can lean the 8 x 4 s against it then rotate up so easier when working alone.

 

[ecp]

The problem with stands when using them to support large boards for loading on a table is their stability. Positioning the board so it balances and will lift easily is a bit fiddly.

I used a Triton Superjaws with a long support mounted in the Vice - this worked well because of its large triangular footprint, but it is a pain to keep folding it down to store when not in use, and then erect again when needed.

Then I saw this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgL73C3KECY

which looks a better solution.

If you do a lot of panel cutting, personally I think this could be more stable, and more versatile than stands and I will make one when I have a few spare minutes.

 

[DomValente]

ecp wrote:

The problem with stands when using them to support large boards for loading on a table is their stability. Positioning the board so it balances and will lift easily is a bit fiddly.

Absolutely, if you have the space a run on/off table is the best solution for large manmade boards.

Dom

 

[ecp]

if you have the space a run on/off table is the best solution

Thats why I thought the Eurekazone idea was clever.

It would not be difficult to make a similar run on/off table that could be any size to compromise between the space available, the space needed and the size of boards used.

It is also hinged and de-mountable, and as it clips to the side of the bench on which the rails (theirs or someone else's) were being used, it could be de-mounted quickly and easily to be stored flat (hung on a wall perhaps) when not in use.

Easy to make too, out of Ali or steel angle or even just some 50 x 20 timber.

It also has the benefit that if extra workspace was needed, the bench top could be extended by just putting a de-mountable top on it.

 

[chippy1970]

http://festoolownersgroup.com/index.php?topic=125.0

got the idea from here scroll right to the bottom

 

[ecp]

got the idea from here scroll right to the bottom

I can see how this would work - using 2 stands.

I wonder if they could be mounted on castors - can't see why not.
Will have to try some and experiment.

 

[chippy1970]

You see how they have made a frame work of timber that sits in the channel in the stands, he seems to think its very stable.

Cheap as well i have seen them for £27 each

 

[chippy1970]

ps I looked at that You Tube video that system looks like a Festool mft not really an original idea.

 

[ecp]

I think I'll invest in a couple of the Triton stands.

As well as using them for handling large boards in the workshop they can also be used to support wall cupboards for one man installation.
I can also use them to support plasterboard sheets when I replace the ceiling in my kitchen.
(see the video on the Australian site).

That versatility makes them good value at £27 (inc vat) each.

looks like a Festool mft

Is there an MFT that will handle 8' x 4' boards (like the one in the Video does).

When I had problems with my Scheppach, I thought about a guide rail and saw the MFT when I went to my local dealer to have a look at the Festool rails.

He told me that on an MFT it was not possible to cut anything larger than 600mm x 500mm and he thought they were overpriced for such a small table.
He said if I wanted to cut anything larger I should look at a new table/panel saw, or a new top for my damaged Scheppach.

 

[chippy1970]

They can handle any size board you want because you can connect lots of them together to make large tables.

don't get me wrong I don't think I would buy one as I think they are over priced too, but I was just saying that the flip up rail system on that you tube video you posted the link to was an exact copy of the Festool one on the MFT.

 

[George_N]

I have a couple of the Triton Multi Stands that I use to support my grid for cutting 8 x 4 sheets. The grid consists of two 4' x 6" x 2" cross pieces that are held in the channel in the top of the Multi stand. The 6 x 2s are notched to take three 4 x 2s (also notched) running at right angles. This forms a very stable platform for sheet material. Being able to tilt the Multi Stand heads also makes loading large sheets easy. I drilled 3/4" holes in the top surface of the 6 x 2s so that I can insert a short length of dowel (old broom handle); with the grid tilted I rest the edge of the sheet on the dowels and then swing the whole thing up to be horizontal. You do need to get underneath to tighten the clamps that stop the heads swivelling but you can slide a sheet far enough along to do this without it tipping. I also made myself a simple panel carrier that consists of a 3" X 18" strip of 1/2" ply with a 3" x 2" piece if 3/4" ply attached with glue and screws at one end and a handle made from 3/4" dowel (that old broom handle again) projecting at right angles on the other side (basically Z-shaped). With the panel carrier under the middle of the bottom edge it is quite easy to move panels single handed and drop them on the tilted grid. I hope this description makes some sense. I do have some pictures of the set-up but not on this computer

 

[chippy1970]

Thats just what I was talking about George, so your one is stable ?

I ordered two stands the other day £55 inc delivery, should have them tomorrow with any luck then I have a project for the weekend.

 

[tombo]

i just work on the ground with foam bocks it can be tedious if you have a lot of cuts but there is no chance of anything falling DAMHIKT :roll:

 

[wizer]

Bad Back, Knackered Knees... No chance

(you wouldn't believe i'm 26 :roll: )

 

[chippy1970]

No I couldn't work off the floor either I have a bad back much easier to work on a bench.

 

[Burt Waddell]

ps I looked at that You Tube video that system looks like a Festool mft not really an original idea.

Chip,

I Think it would be wise to look at the video again. The Eurekazone table is vastly different from the Festool MFT. For beginners, it offers auto clamping. The rail is dual directional. It is much larger than a MFT. These two tables are similiar only in that both are used for cutting. Many of us including my self have taken Eurekazone parts and built tables to our own specs. My largest is capable of ripping a 4 x 8' sheet (Repeat rip not crosscut). My smallest is about 2' x 3'. In my shop these are replacing Delta unisaws and Makita miter saws.

Burt

 

[ecp]

The Eurekazone table is vastly different from the Festool MFT

I thought this too, but have no experience of either product - although, as I said before, I have seen the mft in a shop.

Looking at the various videos on Youtube, am I correct in saying that with the parts available I could build a static table on which I could rip and crosscut 8'x4' sheet (down to even very narrow strip), do multiple cuts without taking the board off the table, and also use a router for trenching, dados and edge facing?
And all this could be done with any circular saw and router?

If that's the case I don't see the point of spending any more time or money trying to get my Scheppach back into working order.

Anyone want to buy a Scheppach sliding table, or phonelic router table top?

 

[Burt Waddell]

The Eurekazone table is vastly different from the Festool MFT

I thought this too, but have no experience of either product - although, as I said before, I have seen the mft in a shop.

Looking at the various videos on Youtube, am I correct in saying that with the parts available I could build a static table on which I could rip and crosscut 8'x4' sheet (down to even very narrow strip), do multiple cuts without taking the board off the table, and also use a router for trenching, dados and edge facing?
And all this could be done with any circular saw and router?

If that's the case I don't see the point of spending any more time or money trying to get my Scheppach back into working order.

Anyone want to buy a Scheppach sliding table, or phonelic router table top?

It sounds to me like you have a good grasp of the basics. One of the great things about the EZ System to me is that you can buy as little or as much as you wish.

You might want to check out the the EZ Smart forum. It is located on Sawmill Creek. WWW.sawmillcreek.org

Scroll down the page and you will find the Eurekazone forum near the botttom.

 

[chippy1970]

BURT,

You should read what I have written carefully I said:

don't get me wrong I don't think I would buy one as I think they are over priced too, but I was just saying that the flip up rail system on that you tube video you posted the link to was an exact copy of the Festool one on the MFT.

The bridge gizmo and guide is very similar to the Festool one where as it raises up and down to allow different thicknesses of material to be cut and it flips up and down just like the Festool one. If thats wrong then I must be going mad.

Yes the table is different and it looks good ok.

Can we please drop it now as this has gone off topic.

 

[ecp]

Can we please drop it now as this has gone off topic.

Sorry - I probably started that with my post about the video.

I am sure Burt did not mean his comment in the way you took it Chipp (typed communication is so difficult without the benefit of vocal expression), but he has got me intrigued so I may start a new topic aimed at finding out more from other users (wonder if there are any in the UK).

Coming back to the topic in hand, I think the Triton solution is a very good one.
As I said previously, I can think of lots of other uses for the stands as well when they are not needed for board handling, and at the money they are extremely good value - particularly when you look at the price of some of the standard roller stands.

Chipp, where did you get yours at £55 inc delivery? If you are inclined, can you post some pictures or details of how you get on with your weekend project (assuming you get it done and are not dragged off for more important tasks like the weekly shop )