Tripod table

[woodbloke]

This might be an application where a domino could be used :roll: if the end of the leg were initially flat, then shaped to fit the leg afterwards. Can the machine though, be used against something round like the pillar? - Rob

 

[Alf]

............yeahbut, that is some of the clumsiest chiselling I've ever seen! He busted off the main structural bit of the dovetail, and chiselled outside his saw cuts...........then pared as if he was carving a potato in primary school. He may be a saint, but he also a sinner!

Mike

Yebbut he does have to do it in one take and fit it all into the limited time. The key to appreciating Roy Underhill is to realise he concentrates on the enjoyment of doing it over the pursuit of perfection, which is possibly no bad thing for those of us who are unpaid woodworkers to be reminded of now and again.

Cheers, Alf

 

[xy mosian]

[The key to appreciating Roy Underhill is to realise he concentrates on the enjoyment of doing it over the pursuit of perfection, which is possibly no bad thing for those of us who are unpaid woodworkers to be reminded of now and again.

Cheers, Alf

Hear Hear. I've lost count of the number of times I have watched and then thought. "So that's what it's all about. Let's have a go."

xy

 

[joesoap]

Hi,

Have a look at this Video featuring (Saint) Roy Underhill making a tripod table with handtools.
He has a neat way of marking them out.

http://flash.unctv.org/woodwrightss/2900/wws2910.html

Pete

Trestle table that was Pete , but enjoyed show,he's some guy eh ! Thanks for the intro .
Joe

 

[Racers]

Hi,

Checkout the sprit of wood craft show http://flash.unctv.org/woodwrightss/wws_2607.html

Star Wars, Holy Grail and other references and one take!!!

He even cuts himself and carrys on.

Pete

 

[xy mosian]

I made a kitchen table a few years ago to be reassembled insitu. I used sliding dovetails to fasten the legs to the rails cut very easily on my Woodrat.
But over time this joint has proved to be a problem - with hindsight I should have used the much stronger M&T!
I have since been wary of using it again where a "strong" joint is required?
The wood I used was Sycamore so perhaps too soft for this joint?

Rod

Harbo, what were the problems? Was it just the 'normal' wood shrinkage wobble or something else?

xy

 

[MikeG.]

............yeahbut, that is some of the clumsiest chiselling I've ever seen! He busted off the main structural bit of the dovetail, and chiselled outside his saw cuts...........then pared as if he was carving a potato in primary school. He may be a saint, but he also a sinner!

Mike

Yebbut he does have to do it in one take and fit it all into the limited time.
Cheers, Alf

Why? Why not just slow down, get it right, and maybe edit the video? That was almost a perfect demonstration of "how not to hand-make a sliding dovetail" in my view. Loved the attitude, disliked the demo.

Mike

 

[Steve Maskery]

Mike

My guess is.... economics.

Depending on his funding, he may only have a budget to do a "live" performance. He has two cameramen there, one doing the main shot and the other doing close-ups at the bench, so there is a bit of post-filming editing going on, but not much.

I know from my own efforts that it is phenomenally resource-intensive to shoot, edit, splice to the sort of level we are so used to. I do it because I think the result is better, but then it's my own time. If I were paying someone else to do it, it would be a non-starter.

I just think it's amazing that he can keep going like that without decending into mumbling rubbish.

S

 

[lurker]

I made a Oak table much like that about a year ago.

I built an MDF frame so that my Router could slide over the round profile with a crude but efficent indexing system.

The dovetails were absolutetly brilliant 8) I was so chuffed!

Then the bluddy things split at glue up

You cant see the repair ( of course I KNOW its there :evil.

Strongly suggest you fit a brass plate on the underside that connects each legs because there is a considerable weakess at that point

 

[stuartpaul]

I made a kitchen table a few years ago to be reassembled insitu. I used sliding dovetails to fasten the legs to the rails cut very easily on my Woodrat.
But over time this joint has proved to be a problem - with hindsight I should have used the much stronger M&T!
I have since been wary of using it again where a "strong" joint is required?
The wood I used was Sycamore so perhaps too soft for this joint?

Rod

Do you really think a m&t is stronger in this situation than a dovetail? Have to say I'm not but then I'm also going to fit a reinforcing plate (as outlined above) just to provide some support at the bottom of the column which is obviously going to be a weak point.

Design meeting (that's posh talk for her telling exactly what she wants) this weekend so not too much longer and off we go!! (well, - as far as I can go without Steve's dvd).

I'm hoping to make this my first proper WIP for the forum. Never really tried before so we'll have to see how it goes.

Lurker - any chance of letting me have some info on your indexing system? This is one area where I am likely to struggle.

 

[bugbear]

I could have sworn that within the last 3-4 months I'd read a blog (or article) that analysed the fitting of legs to tripod tables and concluded that dovetails either weren't needed or weren't the best.

But I can't remember where it was.

Anyone?

BugBear

 

[lurker]

Stu,

I don't think I took WIP photos
Will look tonight

I know I broke up the jig & the leg templates cos it was about a month ago when I decided I'd not need them again :roll:

I'll look in my files as I think I have some photocopied articles that I can mail you (assuming I did not dump them too!)

Let me have a rootle about & I may PM you

 

[Harbo]

The problem with the kitchen table was that the sliding dovetails were not that deep (about 20mm) and the rails not that wide (about 25mm). If I had used M&T's I could have made the tenons much longer and achieved greater penetration (and strength?). Could even had pegged them?
They kept coming unstuck with being dragged around for floor cleaning (I had used Titebond III).
Had to use some corner brackets (inside) to strengthen them.

Rod